wankgate | The Fifty-Third

I'm kind of awaiting the influx of people who love the series but have literally no idea a book of it exists.

i saw at the start credits that it was based off a book. i've never read the books or seen the other movies (i mean i've heard of them, i don't live under a rock), but i really really enjoyed this first episode. what i'm worried about right now is that if i go read the book, i'll be spoiled for how the show plays out if the adaptation's faithful.

being worried the original book will spoil you for the show

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On the one hand, I get this, on the other... wow. Sorry, I'm already seeing too many people saying stupid things in relation to theorizing around this series that are specifically answered in the book and movies. So don't be surprised if novel fans lose patience real fast.

I'm not really theorizing or anything. being a longtime A Song of Ice and Fire fan, I do understand how frustrating it is watching people theorize or criticize concepts in Game of Thrones that are covered in the novels. but I still want to watch it unspoiled. if I love it, when it's over it might be cool to then get to read the book as well, but to me, saying my enjoyment of the television show is somehow invalid without having experienced the rest of the franchise misses the point of adaptations in the first place.

yes, it's awesome for fans of Red Dragon to see it on the screen as Hannibal, but nobody produces an adapatation just for fans of the original because it's not soluble. even "canon-blind" I obviously already know that Hannibal is a cannibal etc, that's pretty ingrained in popular culture. but I'm watching because the show itself is well-written and interesting to me, and being a dramatic thriller, that means plot twists and suspense. book fans getting "frustrated" seems as silly as someone getting frustrated when they're watching a favourite movie with their friend who's only seeing it for the first time. the anticipation of "what will happen next" is part of the draw card of the show itself to hook viewers — why not just enjoy watching people find out the answer to that and reacting, rather than getting annoyed because you already know?

I didn't say it was invalid, in fact I said I get what you mean on the one hand, but what I did say was don't be surprised if people don't have patience for asinine and thoughtless comments which, I'm sorry to say, is what is fast emerging from the newly emerging fandom.

In a lot of ways, if you want to quietly watch and experience then bully for you, but I'm already seeing stupid, insulting and flat-out troubling shit from the "fannibals" that are fast appearing as a result of this series. So while I am a long-term fan and I am enjoying the series itself for the most part that doesn't mean I'm going to be super sympathetic to waves of stupidity.

Also, no, I'm not going to get irritated with someone who hasn't seen a movie that I have because it's two hours for them to watch and they get their experience and that's it. That's not comparable to a swiftly growing fandom that's coming from a new TV series based on a book from 1981, had a movie made in 1986, then a remake in 2002.

sorry, on reread, I was definitely kind of generally replying to both you and the attitude in the comment above you.

and I understand that fandom is already doing some weird shit, but it's weird shit that it does regardless of source imho. the shipping/au/prediction bullshit happens in every fandom. sherlock and elementary are both based on a canon from circa a hundred years ago and they still hook people who have never experienced holmes before in another format and they definitely have their share of batshittery.

finally, my example was more... haven't you ever sat down with a friend to watch something you love and taken joy in their reactions? not just a movie, it could be a tv show. hell, it could be an old tv show like star trek. you're up to khan, and all that death stuff happens, and over dinner your friend is making predictions about what will happen next because even though you think everyone and their mother knows about search for spock, they haven't been spoiled for it.

i guess it's weird to me that people have a sense of elitism over how much of the rest of the franchise other people have discovered/enjoy regardless of how true or good the adaptation is.

while i echo the sentiments of the other anons on this thread, let me add a comment of a different flavor. here's a basic rundown of what to expect without getting yourself spoiled, if this will help: the tv show is set roughly before the events in red dragon and years after hannibal rising. canon chronology is hannibal rising > red dragon > silence of the lambs > hannibal. publishing-wise, red dragon was the first novel to come out, followed by silence, hannibal, and rising. i strongly suggest reading the books in publishing order, and watching the movies in order of release, including manhunter (the one with brian cox).

if you really want to get to the material outside of the tv show, i'd suggest just watching silence of the lambs and red dragon (2002), and then leave it at that until the season is over; the books are very different in a particular manner that the movies didn't get to show enough of but imo the tv show seems to get.

tl;dr if you want to avoid book spoilers for one reason or another, but you want to add color to how you see the tv show, just watch those two movies. those movies left out enough that reading the books will still be a surprise for you, but included enough to give you a better look at what to expect from the show.

also for the love of god don't touch hannibal rising.

+1 on don't touch hannibal rising.

I mean I read it and laughed extensively but yeaaaaah, I would not recommend it to anyone.

thanks anon! I will get right on that. I feel like I've been living under a rock because I'm really interested in this universe but had somehow missed out on knowing much about it bar standard pop culture osmosis until now. i love jodie foster though, so this won't exactly be a hardship.

hannibal will make someone eat their own brain and he has a little sister who got eaten by people that set him down ~the dark path~

Eaten by cannibal Nazis. Cannibal Nazis.

Hellsing, is that you?

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