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wankgate2015-11-14 06:08 pm
anonsitting) wrote in wankgate2015-11-14 06:08 pm
I'd say but I'd feel like it would be very, very obvious which 10-20 (slightly more, perhaps) I mean and I don't want them to get shit flung at them for being competent, engaging, and, god forbid, fucking reliable.
But then a lot of the worst writers have notable egos so who knows. It'd be funny if they thought I meant them.
The plot is really good, I enjoy it very much, but that one pie chart about group projects has never held more true: trust no one. I'm realising that I'm having to pursue the most important shit either on my own or with people that I absolutely know I can depend on. I am sick of 95% of everyone else.
Still open to new people that don't suck though. It's just frustrating. Why are you here if you are literally not going to do anything or follow through on plans.
But then a lot of the worst writers have notable egos so who knows. It'd be funny if they thought I meant them.
The plot is really good, I enjoy it very much, but that one pie chart about group projects has never held more true: trust no one. I'm realising that I'm having to pursue the most important shit either on my own or with people that I absolutely know I can depend on. I am sick of 95% of everyone else.
Still open to new people that don't suck though. It's just frustrating. Why are you here if you are literally not going to do anything or follow through on plans.
agreed. kids and school aren't usually a great combo.
the real point is is that we have no idea how old the kids are. whether they're six and needed to be walked to a bus stop or fifteen and needing a kick in the ass to get out, getting them off to school isn't the same as being their parent or even having total omnipotent control over them. this whole thread is going off baseless assumptions, which is usually what happens when they derail into personal shit because no one actually knows deets and projects their own shit onto it.
the real point is is that we have no idea how old the kids are. whether they're six and needed to be walked to a bus stop or fifteen and needing a kick in the ass to get out, getting them off to school isn't the same as being their parent or even having total omnipotent control over them. this whole thread is going off baseless assumptions, which is usually what happens when they derail into personal shit because no one actually knows deets and projects their own shit onto it.
In Zero, she is headstrong, prideful, determined to win, not willing to walk a path of barbarism...and is made to walk it anyway as her Master is a cold-blooded man who means to win by any means necessary.
The first half is correct, but the second half is all wrong. Saber DEFIES Kiritsugu's brand of fighting. She at first tolerates it because he's her master but after what happens with Lancer she outright refuses to communicate with him. She's so defiant of his will that he needs to use two command seals to force her to destroy the grail.
So yes, you can play Saber just fine using Zero as your pillar, because it explains everything about the character, how high she can fly, how low she can sink, and what she's capable of inbetween.
Nope.
Zero acts as a basis to understand how Saber was before Fate/Stay Night and augments her development in F/SN. In Zero she just came out of her biggest failure and seeks the Grail to correct it. She's given an incredibly harsh truth by Rider that her ideals are just that, but refuses to accept that. She saw herself as a king and a knight, but not as a human being. Being human was not important to her so long as she achieved her ideal. Nobody could really help her with that - Rider had good intentions, but he's too harsh and Irisviel was trying her best to keep the peace while also maintain her ability to function once Lancer was dead.
In Stay Night, Saber learns how to be human through her friendship with Shirou and Rin. I'm not calling Nasu the best writer ever when it comes to women, but he wrote her with a lot of different dimensions. Urobuchi sticks to one facet of Saber's personality because he has no choice to, as all of Saber's major development is in F/SN.
And yeah she has some cute gag scenes, but so what? Is Saber not allowed to have some funny moments? Is she not allowed to enjoy mass eating or find lions cute? Zero purists like you seem to hate Saber having any sort of facet outside her "I must be a king first and a human second" mindset, which just broils her down to being a bland Action Girl. The limits of Zero in relation to F/SN meant Urobuchi couldn't write Saber with any of her other dimensions, because they ONLY develop in F/SN.
I think you need to reevaluate your stance that the VN isn't necessary. I agree that reading the LP is the easiest way to do so, or even watching video lets play sans commentary, but if you're going to get in-depth then you should take some time to read through it. I wouldn't outright refuse to play with someone that didn't read the VN, but I would side-eye them a lot tbh.
The first half is correct, but the second half is all wrong. Saber DEFIES Kiritsugu's brand of fighting. She at first tolerates it because he's her master but after what happens with Lancer she outright refuses to communicate with him. She's so defiant of his will that he needs to use two command seals to force her to destroy the grail.
So yes, you can play Saber just fine using Zero as your pillar, because it explains everything about the character, how high she can fly, how low she can sink, and what she's capable of inbetween.
Nope.
Zero acts as a basis to understand how Saber was before Fate/Stay Night and augments her development in F/SN. In Zero she just came out of her biggest failure and seeks the Grail to correct it. She's given an incredibly harsh truth by Rider that her ideals are just that, but refuses to accept that. She saw herself as a king and a knight, but not as a human being. Being human was not important to her so long as she achieved her ideal. Nobody could really help her with that - Rider had good intentions, but he's too harsh and Irisviel was trying her best to keep the peace while also maintain her ability to function once Lancer was dead.
In Stay Night, Saber learns how to be human through her friendship with Shirou and Rin. I'm not calling Nasu the best writer ever when it comes to women, but he wrote her with a lot of different dimensions. Urobuchi sticks to one facet of Saber's personality because he has no choice to, as all of Saber's major development is in F/SN.
And yeah she has some cute gag scenes, but so what? Is Saber not allowed to have some funny moments? Is she not allowed to enjoy mass eating or find lions cute? Zero purists like you seem to hate Saber having any sort of facet outside her "I must be a king first and a human second" mindset, which just broils her down to being a bland Action Girl. The limits of Zero in relation to F/SN meant Urobuchi couldn't write Saber with any of her other dimensions, because they ONLY develop in F/SN.
I think you need to reevaluate your stance that the VN isn't necessary. I agree that reading the LP is the easiest way to do so, or even watching video lets play sans commentary, but if you're going to get in-depth then you should take some time to read through it. I wouldn't outright refuse to play with someone that didn't read the VN, but I would side-eye them a lot tbh.
I've got one!
Apparently, a while back Tipple posted on her plurk that the mods sent a formal apology because apparently they did kill Brainiac 5 out of OOC cattiness rather than it being just for plot like they said. From the sound of things, Yami and Ali hated Tipple and strong-armed the other mods into doing it because they were being pa even though she was gone. They also lied about some things with Tipple and actually went as far as to make up shit about her being a domestic abuser irl.
Unfortunately, I can't get a pastebin since the friend of mine that was on her plurk said they got eventually got cut and neither of us can find the link again.
What's really fucked up is I think Tipple said she actually grew up in a home with domestic violence or was in a relationship in the past with domestic violence (can't remember which) and Yami and Ali apparently knew it. So they were talking shit making her out to be a domestic abuser knowing she was an abuse survivor.
I didn't really like Tipple but that's still low. Te confirmed it in the plurk and it sounded like the mods fact-checked with Lisa only long after it all went down.
Most of this hasn't really gotten around because the players involved kept it private and the mods left over after Yami and Ali left haven't admitted it anywhere publicly. It's all been slowly passed around by people leaking things which makes it hard to provide deets since that outs people so easily. Especially when some of them have such tiny friends lists on plurk.
Apparently, a while back Tipple posted on her plurk that the mods sent a formal apology because apparently they did kill Brainiac 5 out of OOC cattiness rather than it being just for plot like they said. From the sound of things, Yami and Ali hated Tipple and strong-armed the other mods into doing it because they were being pa even though she was gone. They also lied about some things with Tipple and actually went as far as to make up shit about her being a domestic abuser irl.
Unfortunately, I can't get a pastebin since the friend of mine that was on her plurk said they got eventually got cut and neither of us can find the link again.
What's really fucked up is I think Tipple said she actually grew up in a home with domestic violence or was in a relationship in the past with domestic violence (can't remember which) and Yami and Ali apparently knew it. So they were talking shit making her out to be a domestic abuser knowing she was an abuse survivor.
I didn't really like Tipple but that's still low. Te confirmed it in the plurk and it sounded like the mods fact-checked with Lisa only long after it all went down.
Most of this hasn't really gotten around because the players involved kept it private and the mods left over after Yami and Ali left haven't admitted it anywhere publicly. It's all been slowly passed around by people leaking things which makes it hard to provide deets since that outs people so easily. Especially when some of them have such tiny friends lists on plurk.
http://genessia-ooc.dreamwidth.org/208338.html?thread=3708370#cmt3708370
(Anonymous) 2015-11-20 04:24 am (UTC)(link)...
Are you sure this wasn't Tipple making shit up?
anon i love you, you pretty much put the words down about f/z and f/sn saber in ways i never would be able to
i'm still waiting for actual proof personally? i don't doubt yami and ali wank, but all the large scale stuff has never had any proof and for all i knnow it's still win and maddie wanking about them like the grudgewankers they are and always have been.
I wondered too but like I said I do distinctly remember Te was in the same plurk confirming it and talking about how she'd been duped along with the others. Which really makes things retroactively fucked up. I remember back when Tipple called the mods out publicly on plurk for doing that as a catty vendetta move rather than just normal plot and apparently it did turn out Yami and Ali pushed it as part of their vendetta rather than it being a natural plot choice. Then they talked shit about her and made things up to make her look horrible to convince the other mods to let them do it.
The other mods apologized way after the fact but it really sounds like they all got taken for a ride. It looks like Yami and Ali were willing to lie to their comods left and right about people to convince them to go along with everything they wanted so they could target anyone they disliked and slow down the game.
The other mods apologized way after the fact but it really sounds like they all got taken for a ride. It looks like Yami and Ali were willing to lie to their comods left and right about people to convince them to go along with everything they wanted so they could target anyone they disliked and slow down the game.
none of those last responses asked for deets.
I also remember this happening. The plurk, i mean.
I wish I could post a pastebin but the plurk in question is private. I just remeber being like damn, wtf happened. but also not wanting to look too grubby for deets. Sorry.
I wish I could post a pastebin but the plurk in question is private. I just remeber being like damn, wtf happened. but also not wanting to look too grubby for deets. Sorry.
anon get off wankgate. you're too rational for this thread.
Do Winn and Maddie know who Tipple even is to be able to make this up? This sounds like Yami or Ali trying to deflect and do damage control and it's starting to get impossible now as more and more stories come out.
I'd like proper deets too but in this case I'd just question the lack of deets not try for some hamfisted conspiracy theory involving grudgewankers telling stories about rpers they probably don't even know.
I'd like proper deets too but in this case I'd just question the lack of deets not try for some hamfisted conspiracy theory involving grudgewankers telling stories about rpers they probably don't even know.
if someone was planning to play saber from zero, would you recommend they read the vn because she still has the potential for that development she gets in f/sn even if it comes from a source other than shirou and rin?
on the one hand, this sounds like the exact kind of thing someone would make up for attention. on the other hand, this community attracts so many obnoxious tryhards i wouldn't be surprised if it was true.
It's a bit of a shame really. Tipple was annoying sometimes but if you kept her at a distance ooc she was tolerable and I did like some of her plot ideas. I was actually pretty hype for that heist plot idea she had.
When I think about all the players Yami and Ali may have chased out that created good CR or were trying to create things for other people to do and how we were stuck with their wanky asses trying to slow the game to a crawl it really pisses me off.
When I think about all the players Yami and Ali may have chased out that created good CR or were trying to create things for other people to do and how we were stuck with their wanky asses trying to slow the game to a crawl it really pisses me off.
considering that there've been links here from people that were getting shit like this, i wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
basically, yes
the only people entitled to play what they like 100% of the time and be completely catered to are apparently people who play girls for m/f
everyone else isn't allowed to play to their own preferences and must conform to what those players want
no m/m allowed, because gross ooc no homo no guy player is allowed to deny a girl player a cock ever for any reason
no f/f allowed, because gross ooc no homo neckbeards legbeards make them ~uncomfortable~ and vag is inherently inferior to cock anyway
the only people entitled to play what they like 100% of the time and be completely catered to are apparently people who play girls for m/f
everyone else isn't allowed to play to their own preferences and must conform to what those players want
no m/m allowed, because gross ooc no homo no guy player is allowed to deny a girl player a cock ever for any reason
no f/f allowed, because gross ooc no homo neckbeards legbeards make them ~uncomfortable~ and vag is inherently inferior to cock anyway
There it is. This was the plurk. Thanks anon.
yes. tl;dr for saber, you need to read vn no matter what. canon point is irrelevant. just do it.
not ayrt, but i'd definitely say so! The way Shirou and Rin treat Saber especially with the former integrating her into his daily life (mostly so the normies don't question TOO much about the British girl staying at his place) is so different from her relationship to Iri and Kerry where she was a friend to the former and antagonistic with the latter. Also Iri was already ready for her fatal end while Shirou and Rin are around her age, more determined, and aren't nearly as jaded. They end up caring for her a lot as a person and you can see it a lot with Shirou since he ends up treating her like family, what with the way he's glad to share meals with her along with Taiga and Sakura.
So what I'm saying is, is that if you were to play Zero Saber in a game, yeah you'd benefit from reading f/sn to see how she'd react to certain situations and from different people that aren't just the cast from FZ.
So what I'm saying is, is that if you were to play Zero Saber in a game, yeah you'd benefit from reading f/sn to see how she'd react to certain situations and from different people that aren't just the cast from FZ.
Er, around her age as in, the dumb kids are around the age she is physically, but you know what I mean
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