wankgate | 240: i own the nfts to all your icons

I hope you feel this way about every melodramatic person on plurk, because surely you've blocked every dramatic baby on your timeline by now with standards like these.

Seriously, you'd get rid of half of dwrp with this criteria. It's not enabling when you go "wow ok Jane is going on about how her life is over again" and drop a hug emoji before you hit the mute button.

If people didn't flatview, how would we be able to tell when someone was stoking wank in multiple subthreads by pastibg the same comment over and over?

Wankgate is the only place I've seen anyone talk about this, and I do have friends who play in Ryslig. Sorry your wank isn't as important as you think it is.

if you mean someone crying about how hard their life is because of work or something bad that happened or they have to do chores? sure, give them hugs, ignore them. that is melodramatic and annoying at worst.

if the player is actively harassing people? yeah, i do feel that way. letting people harass others is bullshit, especially when most of us are adults and should have stopped this high school behavior when we actually left high school. dropping a hug emote there just tells them that you don't give a shit that they're doing it, which teaches them they can continue doing it. that is enabling them.

i mean luc's learned he can't post this shit publicly anymore, one of the mods is upset, another is asking for forgiveness, a number of players are regretting adding to it now that their names are on here too.

i'd say it's important to the people it's supposed to be important to, which isn't you sorry.

just sent them a crit addressing them making a statement, as well as luc and how he should receive actual consequence for this, no more warnings. we'll see how that goes

there are probably enough people who oppose this in every other game out there that if any of the major wankers (luc, triska, krystal) tries to app into other places it probably won't fly because people will notify mods or the mods themselves already know about it so mission accomplished imo

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I don't think Luc learned anything, considering he still thinks this is grudgewank from people who give a shit about petty ryslig infighting, but the fact that he won't be making these plurks anymore is an improvement.

also, now everyone knows he's a piece of shit and we can't trust the ryslig mods to have your back and keep your confidence in a conflict with him or anyone involved with him, which is important information for players who choose to stay.

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My point was that I don't think most people are reading enough to know there's anything harassing happening. You see someone dramatic flipping a table, there's no reason to read closely for context. It's all just woe is me stuff no1curr about in the end. That's why it makes no sense to just grab a bunch of usernames from the log when they weren't all engaging at the same level.

so that people could make their own decisions based on the behaviour on display. literally was said already.

notice how they didnt just copy and paste luc's entire friendslist despite the fact that 99 percent of them had access to that plurk, only the people who were involved at all

sorry you got dropped for being a dickhead and enabling luc's shitty behaviour but maybe dont get involved in mass shittalking plurks in the future if you dont want that to happen

carbon not actively shitty they're just unpleasant to be around

Right, but people arent reading 200 pages of shitstirring to make their own decisions there either. If you give people a block list they're just going to block everyone on the list. If you (general you) wanted to give people a way to make their own decisions you'd include a note about what they did in the long log. But nobody wants to pick through it enough to find context for that either.

I haven't read it, and I'd venture to say that most of the people who are talking about it haven't read it either. So a lot of this narrative feels like it's being carefully sculpted by people taking advantage of the fact that no one is willing to engage with the whole thing.

most people who are talking about it have already said they are not blocking everyone and provided a shortlist of like the three main players

are you at least reading the thread youre commenting in

if you (general you) care that much about it people have matched the display names to the people on the list so you could easily ctrl + f and do your own homework which is a lot easier and faster than engaging with the entire thing

there are ways to obtain context for each individual person and their involvement in the paste that arent slogging through 200 pages

Again: this has ALSO not been Luc's screen name for months (possibly even years?), and it's pretty sus how these pastebins keep cropping up with, conveniently, no dates attached and the unspoken implication that they're recent.

so, regardless of whether or not Luc is a dick... this is clearly not about the current situation? You can make a case for it fitting into a larger pattern, but that's not what this comment implies.

yeah but their responses getting fucking pissed about people daring to say theyre behaving badly and getting pissed off about their privacy being breached when their buddies were doing the exact same thing to someone else in the paste theyre mad about are both very recent and show very little growth, anon

For the record, Luc's current display name is "bunny☆trap" and he changed it before the shit hit the fan, so until and unless he changes it again (at which point I'm sure someone will highlight it) you should assume that any plurk pastebin where his display name is NOT bunny☆trap is from before the 200-page pastebin dropped.

in b4 "stop defending him!!!": this has nothing to do with Luc's behaviour and everything to do with the fact that muddying the waters like this is just super fucking unhelpful to everyone involved. Especially if you actually want to call people out for stuff that happened.

there are screenshots in here somewhere from luc raging about it like TWO DAYS AGO with the same tone and same bullshit so there's nothing sus.

by your own admission luc hasn't used those names in months. months and not a bit of positive growth, only worse behavior because now he's going after non-wankers who are a little annoying at best and have done nothing.

Not disputing that, but it's clear from the replies that people reading this assumed it was a response to the current wank, so it seems worth highlighting that it's not.

I'm not commenting on the content, I'm just saying that this is how misinformation and messed-up timelines get accepted as fact. There's nothing wrong with posting old pastebins, but when they don't have dates or timestamps, it's important to be like "hey, this feels relevant but it's not about this incident".

Because otherwise, as has already happened in this thread, people wind up drawing conclusions based on "this is how Luc responds to this wank" not "this is how Luc responds to wank in general". Which, if you're trying to call Luc out for a long-term pattern of behaviour, is frankly LESS helpful.

i was one of the anons who was first asking for more pastebins to establish this pattern and at this point id argue that if months and possibly years have elapsed and his only bit of reflection is to rage and stamp his feet at how unreasonable everyone's being when he's the one who was talking shit and actively violating the privacy of other players with mod help, that also helps to establish a pattern

Then reference those screenshots, or note somewhere that these are old ones.

It's not fucking complicated. I'm not saying the pastes are bad to post, or defending what's in them: I'm literally just saying "hey, let people know when the shit you're pastebinning is from" because it drastically changes the interpretation of what's in it, and I prefer to wank over things that actually happened.

if you keep posting misleading information instead of letting people know the actual context, and in this case people clearly HAVE been misled because they're responding to it as though this plurk is a reaction to the current wank, then that's fucking sus, dude, idk what to tell you

In this particular case, the timing does not matter. He's exhibiting the same behavior from five months ago, which FYI, really isn't a huge gap, so I don't know why people are trying to argue that it's too old and therefore invalid. This is not "crusty deets" territory and what's really sus is trying to imply that it is and flippantly brush it off. The behavior was bad back then, it's bad now, and it's clearly not getting any better.

I think we're talking past each other here.

I agree that the plurk here establishes a pattern, and I'm not saying "don't post old deets".

I'm saying "don't post old deets WITHOUT SAYING THEY'RE OLD DEETS", because then rather than seeing it as a long-term pattern of behaviour, most people will (did!) interpret it as a current reaction. And in general if we're going to wank on someone it seems pretty dumb to wank on them for something that isn't what happened.

this is really reading less like youre championing the ethics of wank journalism and more like you were one of the clingers who got left out to dry by that paste and now youre trying to run damage control for yourself and luc by downplaying its credibility

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