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Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

nobody is handflapping. well, at least not here or now. you have repeatedly argued that you or other people have the right to harass someone just because you're angry and have repeatedly accused people arguing against harassment as an appropriate response to being angry as defending freya and claiming they shouldn't get consequences because they're mentally ill.

however, when pressed on what you think harassment is, you don't have a definition (or aren't offering it for whatever reason) and keep making vague assertions about how you're in the right to get some sort of vague, nebulous revenge you won't even define.

so let's look at what harassment actually is. to qualify as harassment under the law, the behavior has to be disturbing and threatening, a repeated pattern, and often based on gender, race, sexual orientation, age, disability or national origin.

i like to think that you're not arguing that it's ok to threaten someone or contact them repeatedly with disturbing content (such as gorespam, for example), harangue them about having a disability, mental or otherwise, or hound them through other online sites that have nothing to do with dw or rp. however, when you keep saying that harassment is a-ok without saying exactly what you view as harassment, i can only go by the standard definition and tell you that it's excessive and unjustified.

people absolutely should be able to tell them how they feel about what they did. they have every right to be furious. they don't have to sugar coat it or be friendly about it. they don't have to coddle them because they're depressed. i said that from the get-go, and i was very clear about it.

but if they're telling them to kill themselves, sending gorespam, threatening them, sending them dozens or more e-mails, messages, etc. (all from a single person) harping on and on about what a piece of shit they are in direct communications, trying to find personal contact info, and so on, that's harassment. that's excessive, and that's what i am saying no one has the right to do no matter how mad they are. there's a reason that kind of behavior is illegal, while telling somebody what you think of them and being harsh about it as a one off thing isn't.

essentially, we're actually in agreement. they shouldn't have done what they did. they shouldn't expect people not to take them to task for it, but they shouldn't be harassed, which is a lot more than what you actually seem to be advocating now that you've clarified to a degree.

thanks for letting this be a conversation and not just some stupid trolling thing. if you're one of the people who was in the game when all this went down, i'm sorry that you went through it and i am definitely not trying to downplay or justify what happened. i would be very angry at anyone who did this to a game i was playing in. all i'm doing is what i would do in any situation like this, advocating that people don't jump the shark entirely when it comes to reacting in anger.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

holy shit. calm down.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

if you think that's anger, then your definition of calm must be comatose.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

who said anger? it might not be anger, but it's certainly something. holy shit.

whoever said "handflapping" is certainly more accurate.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

it will never cease to amaze me how so many people in a writing hobby have an aversion to communication.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

it amazes me that people in a writing hobby don't know how to practice concise communication.

more is not necessarily better.

besides, this isn't communication, this is a rant.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

it amazes me that people in a writing hobby have an aversion to reading. every time anybody gives a lengthy response to anything on wg somebody comes along with OMG SO MAD!1!!1

but you're entitled to your opinion just like everyone else. /shrug

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

i read just fine. just not rants about how we're all such meanieheads and making up bullshit without proof.

sorry you don't like that, freya.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

hey, shitposter. was wondering when you'd wake up. ;)

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

still got no proof of your claims, freya? c'mon, if it happened to you, certainly you have evidence. where was this gorespam? got screencaps of it?

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

it's ok, shitposter. mom still loves you. you help keep her comm going.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

so no evidence of "gorespamming" and "telling freya to kill herself", then?

come on, freya. if you're going to lay that accusation at our feet, you have to bring the deets. this is wg after all. deets or gtfo.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

you're so much fun to play with, shitposter. i'm glad you're around when i'm bored. /smoosh

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

so you admit you've got nothing, and are just throwing around "shitposter" to cover it up.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

shitposter strikes again! you ought to get one of those little poo hats.

http://www.customizedgirl.com/design/6b86115041659c597b44eb7cea5d8cff_2934114&utm_medium=shoppingengine&utm_source=googlebase?gclid=Cj0KEQiAj8uyBRDawI3XhYqOy4gBEiQAl8BJbaCGckKyr8qQjd01LRJfLN3fkQGXGiyPKUxbsGPoklYaAl-k8P8HAQ

it would be adorbs. i think they come in black, too.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

so where is your evidence of gorespamming and wishing death on freya, anon? or are you just going to keep squawking "shitposter" until i go away?

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

wow, you're really mad now? you started playing a game, and i played with you by your rules, shitposter.

are you saying you don't want to play anymore? because if you don't want to play anymore, i'm down with that. you just let me know when you're done playing, 'k?

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

why would i be mad? you've made a claim, you can't back it up, that's it. not the end of the world, and doesn't do shit to me.

but you keep crying "shitposter" if you think it will help your case.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

reread the post and make sure a claim was made before riding in with the cavalry. go on. i'll wait. in fact you'll have about an hour or so on it before i can come back to respond.

and for somebody it doesn't do "shit" to, you're very invested in this. i don't care, i don't care, let me tell you at length and over several posts how much i don't care isn't even slightly credible. sorry, but i don't believe you on that one.

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

you are quite the fantasist, aren't you, freya? you keep making things up and when called out on it, you double down and keep making up stories.

da from either of you asshats

[(Anonymous)]

holy shit seeing a pair of retards going "lol hey freya" and "lol sup shitposter" with an exchange like this is fucking embarrassing

freya has a weirdass net of friends who still like her for some godawful reason, and then there's this nutso army consisting of the cosmos playerbase (which has always been full of nutjobs) who have all literally decided within each other's plurks to side against freya, so i'm pretty fucking sure that neither of you are who you think you are.

Re: da from either of you asshats

[(Anonymous)]

okay, if you're a da, then let me ask you.

where is this evidence that people are sending gorespam and death threats to freya?

Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

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Re: FREYA

[(Anonymous)]

a rant is by definition angry and impassioned

the comment you're complaining about reads as one of the most calm, measured things i've ever seen on wg

i think you're the one who needs to calm down tbh

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

holy shit that was so calm you could like practically hear rolling waves, birds chirping, and feel a soft breeze blow against your face.

what a lovely argument that was also not arguing.