It's not just that we were complaining about the lack of events. We were complaining about possible events we could have but weren't seeing. This event is practically a collection of anons' list of "things I wish would happen in Ryslig right now." One anon specifically brought up something about the Vandare mayor, who's suddenly got a mention in this event after more than a year of radio silence.
The attack post with BB elements might have been preplanned, but all the extra stuff looks extremely slapdash to me.
are you kidding me with this? they literally cherry-picked all the recent complaints anons made and put them into an event together. if you can't see that, you're either a mod trying to do damage control, or you're painfully stupid.
no i just think that ryslig has always had very vocal anons who like to complain. a lot. and tbh i feel like a lot of the discussion re: current events is very one-sided and there's a echo chamber effect going on, in that the people who are unsatisfied are vocalizing their unsatisfaction with one another and it's rolling around uncontested.
assuming that anyone who's disagreeing with what's being said is either 1) the mods in specific being complained about or 2) completely stupid is willfully narrow-minded.
i don't really see it as cherry picking because a lot of anon complaints were stuff like 'i wish there was more horror in the horror game' and general themes, not specific ideas. i know someone brought up thread is complaining that the mayor of vandare is making an appearance after someone said last thread that they wish they did and is now taking it as 'proof' that the mods are listening to the anoncomms... but in a event that's directly affecting the city, why wouldn't the npc mayor be making an appearance?
"but in a event that's directly affecting the city, why wouldn't the npc mayor be making an appearance?"
uh, why wouldn't he make an appearance in any of the past fucking wide-scale events we've had? he only showed up after anons complained about it, despite there being ample time for him to appear. maybe when carnivorous plants were demanding blood sacrifice, or when a bunch of random new arrivals got turned into zombies (a type of monster that had never been seen in arrivals before), or when the monsters all went to plaga's peak and then it split in half afterward. or, hey, what about the fact that there are about 200 monsters existing in their vicinity at all, hunting down humans? that seems like it would warrant action even without all the extra freaky shit.
but here, if you're still not convinced, let me tick off the boxes for you:
- anons complained about lack of events, there was an event scheduled suddenly - anons complained about the lack of body horror, the event had gruesome body horror - anons complained about being unable to kill any of the bb, there's an option (now a forced one) to kill a member - anons mentioned it'd be neat if the cure didn't spread to all areas, a poll pops up asking if players would like the hospital to stay monster-ified - anons mentioned the mayor, the mayor showed up - anons wanted more politics and bavanites turning against monsters more overtly, this event says it'll foster more distrust
this all happened in one. event. even without the issue of mods taking all their plots from anoncomms, this is just sloppy. there's no build-up or subtlety to anything. it's fucking lazy, and if a bunch of anons in this "echo chamber" are expressing annoyance, they have every right to, with this shitty writing.
you bring up a good point regarding the mayoral npc and the similarities between the event and things anons have asked for. this also could had been a coincidence and i'm willing to give it the benefit of doubt. i've seen weirder coincidences, but you could also be right.
re: the 200 monsters thing and why no npcs haven't done anything, it seems that a lot of people are enamored of monsters, especially in bavan and public opinion hasn't really turned against them although that looks like that might be changing in vandare.
and anon, just as much as you and other people are allowed to voice your complaints and take issue with the mods, other people are allowed to contest it even if they may be wrong. i do agree with some of the issues raised but not as drastically or angrily as some people are coming across here. the problem i've been seeing in the ryslig anon threads is that a lot of these complaints are building and growing bigger, and honestly i've been in enough games by now to see public mod dissent becoming overblown that it affects games.
i do think the mods are reasonable, they just take their time in getting things up and the frustration is building. nor are things living up to player expectations when they do come to fruition.
I'm the anon who brought up the "hey where's the mayor"/"why hasn't anyone updated the town status page" issue.
Lots of events have affected cities prior to this. Rota burned down. There were fullscale massacres after the drama with the Night God. The valentine's event involved legitimate virgin sacrifices. I'm not crying for proof because this isn't an inquisition, but I do think it's funny that a member of the human leadership pops up now in all places.
So far, the Bloody Bones is the only reaction we've seen since Rota. A tiny biker gang is the only group that's got an issue with this before now? Doesn't Bavan have a strong mafia presence? What are they doing? Any mention of how the police force in either town is trying to keep the peace?
Now, (possibly undercutting my point) I'd rather not have more than a hint of "this group feels this way." A few prolific NPCs are fine, but I NPC heavily in threads with my CR. I'll write things like "this kid threw a rock at me and it knocked some scales off. I hope they grow back..." and would hate to have that NPC freedom diminished in any way.
I don't volunteer for limited-slot threads (I'm too slow of a player to make it worth anyone's time), so I wouldn't mind seeing events that invite characters to interact with one another. I think past mod teams did a good job with that, actually. We had events where random characters were paired together by diceroll, and there was that cool one with the Night God where monsters merged and resplit as mixed-up versions of one another. A lot of my early CR was build around events that forced us out of our cliques. I feel bad that newbies haven't really seen that in a while.
honestly you bring up good points because i legit forgot about the bavan mafia. idk maybe they're okay with monsters because i know that some characters deal in black market stuff but aside from that we don't really know what's going on.
but i want to point out that if you flip it around, then the tiny biker gang is like the protagonist party of a JRPG or other similar type of game where a small group of people take it upon themselves to fight against a group or organization. i get where they'd be coming from because they see themselves as the heroes while the PCs are the bad guys, but then i would understand if people feel as if there wasn't enough build up for that.
i just want to point out that there really hasn't been that the mod team hasn't really changed much since those events - the original mod, cass, stepped down in december; shelly, hannah, and pix were mods until then, and hannah stepped down in september with avali, greer, and ash joining the mod team. avali stepped down a few months after in november to be replaced by bennu.
the mods who ran the previous events (except for the storm event which was headed by cass) you like are still here, unless hannah was behind everything. i would bring it up to them that you'd like to see a return to the kinds of events they did in the past.
most monsters try to stick to killing the criminals
like, you know, the mafia members
why wouldn't the mafia be against them? it's not like players or characters make the attacking criminals thing a secret. it's just bizarre that it hasn't come up in a mod capacity before. you may have forgotten about them, but the mods shouldn't have.
most of my cr (and myself) end up killing people from all walks of life - not because they want to, but because those people were in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
i can see why mods really haven't brought it up because people are probably choosing to attack criminals because they don't want to deal with public NPC backlash. if there were repercussions from killing criminals too, i can definitely see some form of player backlash from that because they didn't know or whatever.
i think i might move in different circles than you but tbh the game is big enough.
i'm laughing because it legit never occurred to me (and therefore my character) to kill criminals specifically and they're going to be completely horrified when they finally realize that they could have been hunting for criminals (the lesser evil) this entire time.
Well of course the Bloody Bones think they're the heroes. Every antagonist should be written that way, good guy or not. Nobody rolls out of bed and goes "I'm gonna do some Evil today!!" We are all the heroes of our own stories. That has nothing to do with the world feeling flat. In your average JRPG, there's usually a police chief/sheriff/someone who's got some opinion on world events, at least. And when the JRPG party messes up and makes things worse midgame, the NPC townies sometimes even change their casual, inconsequential opinions.
Oh, are the plot mods the same? We shuffle through so many mod app cycles that I can't keep track of who's doing what anymore. Maybe they just ran out of steam and don't have a new idea?
i honestly don't feel that everything looks slapdash and it does all tie in together, but ymmv.
it probably feels like the list of 'things i wish that would happen in ryslig rn' because the mods haven't had a serious in-game horror event since october. they probably wanted to start things off with a bang, especially considering that this is a new year.
unfortunately because people have been feeling frustrated the past few months, this looks like it's all backfiring on them.
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(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 01:13 am (UTC)(link)The attack post with BB elements might have been preplanned, but all the extra stuff looks extremely slapdash to me.
+1
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 01:16 am (UTC)(link)Re: +1
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 01:31 am (UTC)(link)assuming that anyone who's disagreeing with what's being said is either 1) the mods in specific being complained about or 2) completely stupid is willfully narrow-minded.
i don't really see it as cherry picking because a lot of anon complaints were stuff like 'i wish there was more horror in the horror game' and general themes, not specific ideas. i know someone brought up thread is complaining that the mayor of vandare is making an appearance after someone said last thread that they wish they did and is now taking it as 'proof' that the mods are listening to the anoncomms... but in a event that's directly affecting the city, why wouldn't the npc mayor be making an appearance?
Re: +1
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 01:50 am (UTC)(link)uh, why wouldn't he make an appearance in any of the past fucking wide-scale events we've had? he only showed up after anons complained about it, despite there being ample time for him to appear. maybe when carnivorous plants were demanding blood sacrifice, or when a bunch of random new arrivals got turned into zombies (a type of monster that had never been seen in arrivals before), or when the monsters all went to plaga's peak and then it split in half afterward. or, hey, what about the fact that there are about 200 monsters existing in their vicinity at all, hunting down humans? that seems like it would warrant action even without all the extra freaky shit.
but here, if you're still not convinced, let me tick off the boxes for you:
- anons complained about lack of events, there was an event scheduled suddenly
- anons complained about the lack of body horror, the event had gruesome body horror
- anons complained about being unable to kill any of the bb, there's an option (now a forced one) to kill a member
- anons mentioned it'd be neat if the cure didn't spread to all areas, a poll pops up asking if players would like the hospital to stay monster-ified
- anons mentioned the mayor, the mayor showed up
- anons wanted more politics and bavanites turning against monsters more overtly, this event says it'll foster more distrust
this all happened in one. event. even without the issue of mods taking all their plots from anoncomms, this is just sloppy. there's no build-up or subtlety to anything. it's fucking lazy, and if a bunch of anons in this "echo chamber" are expressing annoyance, they have every right to, with this shitty writing.
Re: +1
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 02:26 am (UTC)(link)re: the 200 monsters thing and why no npcs haven't done anything, it seems that a lot of people are enamored of monsters, especially in bavan and public opinion hasn't really turned against them although that looks like that might be changing in vandare.
and anon, just as much as you and other people are allowed to voice your complaints and take issue with the mods, other people are allowed to contest it even if they may be wrong. i do agree with some of the issues raised but not as drastically or angrily as some people are coming across here. the problem i've been seeing in the ryslig anon threads is that a lot of these complaints are building and growing bigger, and honestly i've been in enough games by now to see public mod dissent becoming overblown that it affects games.
i do think the mods are reasonable, they just take their time in getting things up and the frustration is building. nor are things living up to player expectations when they do come to fruition.
nayrt
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 01:52 am (UTC)(link)Lots of events have affected cities prior to this. Rota burned down. There were fullscale massacres after the drama with the Night God. The valentine's event involved legitimate virgin sacrifices. I'm not crying for proof because this isn't an inquisition, but I do think it's funny that a member of the human leadership pops up now in all places.
So far, the Bloody Bones is the only reaction we've seen since Rota. A tiny biker gang is the only group that's got an issue with this before now? Doesn't Bavan have a strong mafia presence? What are they doing? Any mention of how the police force in either town is trying to keep the peace?
Now, (possibly undercutting my point) I'd rather not have more than a hint of "this group feels this way." A few prolific NPCs are fine, but I NPC heavily in threads with my CR. I'll write things like "this kid threw a rock at me and it knocked some scales off. I hope they grow back..." and would hate to have that NPC freedom diminished in any way.
I don't volunteer for limited-slot threads (I'm too slow of a player to make it worth anyone's time), so I wouldn't mind seeing events that invite characters to interact with one another. I think past mod teams did a good job with that, actually. We had events where random characters were paired together by diceroll, and there was that cool one with the Night God where monsters merged and resplit as mixed-up versions of one another. A lot of my early CR was build around events that forced us out of our cliques. I feel bad that newbies haven't really seen that in a while.
Re: nayrt
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 02:12 am (UTC)(link)but i want to point out that if you flip it around, then the tiny biker gang is like the protagonist party of a JRPG or other similar type of game where a small group of people take it upon themselves to fight against a group or organization. i get where they'd be coming from because they see themselves as the heroes while the PCs are the bad guys, but then i would understand if people feel as if there wasn't enough build up for that.
i just want to point out that there really hasn't been that the mod team hasn't really changed much since those events - the original mod, cass, stepped down in december; shelly, hannah, and pix were mods until then, and hannah stepped down in september with avali, greer, and ash joining the mod team. avali stepped down a few months after in november to be replaced by bennu.
the mods who ran the previous events (except for the storm event which was headed by cass) you like are still here, unless hannah was behind everything. i would bring it up to them that you'd like to see a return to the kinds of events they did in the past.
Re: nayrt
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 02:17 am (UTC)(link)most monsters try to stick to killing the criminals
like, you know, the mafia members
why wouldn't the mafia be against them? it's not like players or characters make the attacking criminals thing a secret. it's just bizarre that it hasn't come up in a mod capacity before. you may have forgotten about them, but the mods shouldn't have.
Re: nayrt
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 02:29 am (UTC)(link)most of my cr (and myself) end up killing people from all walks of life - not because they want to, but because those people were in the wrong spot at the wrong time.
i can see why mods really haven't brought it up because people are probably choosing to attack criminals because they don't want to deal with public NPC backlash. if there were repercussions from killing criminals too, i can definitely see some form of player backlash from that because they didn't know or whatever.
Re: nayrt
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 02:38 am (UTC)(link)Lots of times I've seen monster specifically going after a thug or three in a kill log as well. It's pretty common.
Re: nayrt
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 02:49 am (UTC)(link)i'm laughing because it legit never occurred to me (and therefore my character) to kill criminals specifically and they're going to be completely horrified when they finally realize that they could have been hunting for criminals (the lesser evil) this entire time.
ayrt
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 02:32 am (UTC)(link)Oh, are the plot mods the same? We shuffle through so many mod app cycles that I can't keep track of who's doing what anymore. Maybe they just ran out of steam and don't have a new idea?
I'll try to bring it up on the game HMD. Oh wait.
Re: ayrt
(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 02:51 am (UTC)(link)i asked for anons like you earlier on when the HMD is coming up. you can save it for next month.
you're welcome.
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(Anonymous) 2016-01-17 01:35 am (UTC)(link)it probably feels like the list of 'things i wish that would happen in ryslig rn' because the mods haven't had a serious in-game horror event since october. they probably wanted to start things off with a bang, especially considering that this is a new year.
unfortunately because people have been feeling frustrated the past few months, this looks like it's all backfiring on them.