wankgate | 219: guess you didn't get the stroking you wanted on rpanons

we fucking see you lying.

sounds juicy

yeah but we have a policy of not spreading it around when someone gets a strike or anything so, to my great dismay, deets will remain undropped

Being a mod is fucking exhausting and is killing my drive to do tags.

fuck yeah, same here

i wish people would actually read the faq

AC is the same days every month fuckos. You shouldn’t need a reminder.

if people are forgetful then they need to set their own reminders, not depend on mods or friends to do it for them

I will never understand why a player would start drama with us, say they hate the way we run things, start drama with other players, complain about the other players to us, complain about everything and then stay in the game. Why are you staying just to cause more problems????

entitlement and lack of self-awareness. it's the only thing i can think of. i've seen people complain high and low about how they hate the mods, hate the way they run the game, hate everything mod-related, but they stay in the game. or hate everything about the plot and the players, but stay in the game. i don't understand what they think the end goal is. make the mods close the game? have them get so frustrated they leave? drive everyone but themselves away from it?

no one's making them app or stay into a game. or play with people. their misery is their own, but they just insist on making it everyone else's fault. i never fail to be baffled by what they expect by being in a game where they hate that much about it. and then complain to the mods. 'i hate you, your plot sucks, you have player preferences'. okay. and? that's how the mods are running that game. if it's against your liking, then leave?

This is why it's best to always have a rule stating "we reserve the right to remove players from the game for any behaviors not listed, that show an unwillingness to participate with the game community in good faith" or something like it

Sometimes they gotta go

i very much agree. i think along with the don't be a dick rule (which never seems to actually extend to cover the mods for some reason), there should be a 'mods reserve the right to remove players without need of a strike system or warnings if they feel that the behavior is egregious enough or they are made to feel uncomfortable in their own game'.

This sounds close to something that hit me hard in a game recently, so here's some unsolicited advice: how much of that is actually being said and how much is you overlaying hatred over criticism you're not ready to hear? Are you friends with the players having conflict with your personal troublemaker? Is your troublemaker coming to you for conflict resolution and then expressing dissatisfaction when they don't feel like they're being handed a fair shake?

If a player is staying in a bad situation, they're staying for something and causing a fuss in an attempt to hold on to the thing that makes them want to stay. They would leave if they actually hated the game. They hate something inside the game that isn't changing, and want help finding a level of stability.

If you're in this position as a mod, reach out to someone impartial. Someone not in your game who doesn't know your problem player or the person they're having drama with. Give them as many deets as you can and try not to sway them in one direction or another. See what someone uninvolved has to say.

This is good advice.

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If they're complaining about pretty much everything that makes up the game itself, from the playerbase, to the mods, to the events and the very game structure and mechanics, they should cut their losses and go.

If it's one thing, then this is good advice, but based on what OP said, it isn't one thing. Sometimes one person being an exhausting negative Nancy no matter what anyone does can really drag a game down.

Maybe, but OP wrote their rant in a later of hyperbole that doesn't match the usual pattern of player/mod conflict. Players don't go to mods if they aren't trying to get mods to moderate. A player who doesn't like anything about a game is more likely to hang out on wg and shitpost all the time. "Bring it to the mods" is literally what we tell people, and op is upset that someone is bringing it to them. I think OP is just upset about something that got said and might need to take a step back and reassess.

"Players don't go to mods if they aren't trying to get mods to moderate."

the hell they don't. seven out of ten times, i've seen players go to mods just to whine and complain and get their way. 'moderate' doesn't mean 'give me what i want', and a lot of players seem to feel that their complaints are untouchable and that any mod that doesn't cater to them is playing favorites or ignoring them. sometimes players are just unreasonable and refuse to be adults about their hobby and run to the mods like mom and dad. sometimes the complaints are valid and something the mods can do something about, but a lot of times it's just players writing a thesis about how they could run the game better and if the mods were actually good mods, they'd do this instead of that.

modding is incredibly thankless and no mod wants to be their player's parents.

also, players can and do post on wg and stir shit while refusing to leave the game they hate so much. some people do fucked up things. i think you just haven't had to deal with shitty players or think that they're above reproach.

you can tell this by what happens after the complaint, when you've made your decision. player complaints in particular, it frequently becomes evident that they wanted a spectacle made over bullshit when you just punish the player privately (like with a strike) and don't make a dog and pony show out of it and then the complainer flips their lid.

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I've absolutely known people to go to the mods or complain about wg about games they're not even in (they even admit it). they don't want the game to improve or even to see actions taken, they're just looking for some quick entertainment or they've been riled up by a friend who is in the game complaining about something.

mods are damned if they do and damned if they don't most of the time. I've known mods to bend over backwards to try to please everyone in their game and they still end up getting dragged over the smallest mistakes or delays. I totally support any mods who take steps to protect themselves and their game from this sort of nonsense.

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(Anonymous) - 2019-09-19 01:06 (UTC) - Expand

we used to have a player in our game would complain about e v e r t h i n g. for the longest time i thought that they just hated our game specifically, but nope, every time they joined another game there would be a brief honeymoon period before they would start whining again. one time they decided to complain about lj/dwrp as a whole (idr if this was before or after the move) and, since our shared game had ended, i tried to suggest that maybe they should stick to psls instead.

their answer was that they couldn't get into rp without a setting or plot. surely they could create their own- oh, nope, that wasn't good enough either. it had to be a broad, overreaching setting with multiple characters, even though they barely rped with anyone outside their clique. at that point i just gave up on them completely.

or the mods can just boot the troublemaker who refuses to see reason out of their game.

it's the mods' game after all.

apply the 'don't be a dick' rule and remove them from the game for being a dick.

in the few instances i've seen that attempted, there's been an epic shitstorm that's followed from the kicked party. complaints of mod favoritism against the complain, whining about no strikes/warnings, and a variety of other petty bullshit that can swamp a game. i've seen friends who've modded show me the flooded inboxes from complaints of 'concerned socks' or the group of the offended party who thinks they can bully the mods into reversing their decision.

mod veto is a great idea and i fully back it, but any mod that's willing to use it has to be prepared for a shitstorm if they have to. and god forbid they just want to boot the player quietly. there'll be a flurry of 'show us deets/receipts' and demands that screencaps be put up (or it'll turn into that when/if the offending party opts to dump their side in public). then either the mods have to counter and stoop to that level, or try to ignore it, which can be near impossible. it really depends on the toxicity level of the player you're booting. but cheers to any mod that does it, and i stand behind their right to do it.

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as a mod who had to use the "don't be a dick"/our anti-harassment rule once we found out a player with a strike was actively harassing someone else in a different game (we had reams of screencapped & pastebinned deets of their behavior to prove it), my team and I had to weather the storm of the kicked player throwing plurk sad baby parties all about how they were innocent, and spamming players' game plurks with sad emotes

I would still insist they be removed, because they were truly awful, but I will also caution any mod team to be prepared for the shit to hit the fan

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