wankgate | 242: what kind of feet do you like?

i'm not asking for an app i just wanna know who tf your character is beyond a face and name, anon. at the very least things you'd like to play or avoid. it's not that deep

look, i get you. i do. let's say i see the eighth iteration of greg on a meme and i love gregs and want to tag all the gregs. so i go check their preferences because not all gregs like playing with sandy or shipping with sandy and are very pro-patrick. that's fine, but i generally prefer to know before i tag so i don't waste my time. but this greg's journal is the default layout with no posts or they have a placeholder that they must have put in when they made the journal six years ago and never bothered to actually fill out, so it's just uselessly there. i get a name (greg), but i have no idea if they like tagging sandy or patrick or cast or cross canon at all.

what do i do? i put up a 'hey, just seeing if you'd like my sandy for xyz or 123. if you've got another preference, just let me know. i'm perfectly happy to write a starter, but just wanted to check in with you first. cheers.'

one of three things will happen. 1) i get ignored. 2) i get a 'no thank you, i don't like sandy's rly'. 3) i get a 'yeah! i'd love to, go right ahead!' (followed by either them ghosting the starter or replying back, it's a coin flip on that any time)

if you can't handle one of those three things happening, don't bother playing with any new people ever. because even with a journal full of info that lets you know all the relevant things that you want to pick over to decide yes, yes, this greg above all others is the one you want to throw your sandy at, they still might not tag you back. for any number of reasons. ones i probably haven't included too (which might lean towards they've seen your sandy and don't like it/you).

you're not in the wrong for wanting info (which you can always find out if you google, like others have mentioned), but even with it and opting to tag, you're not entitled to anyone tagging you back. and it feels like people that get this mad over "BUT THE INFO" are also the kind to get upset if they don't get tagged back. you're allowed to be picky but they aren't? maybe they just aren't as invested in pimping their character out as you are. oh darn. move on and find the ninth greg.

this exactly. there's an implicit level of entitlement from people who wants blurbs, or info, or applications, or sample threads, or an entire CV and 14 references. i'm open to tags, but i'm not desperate for them. chances are, if you're so adverse to communication that asking a question cripples you, we probably wouldn't get on anyway. and that's perfectly okay, there're plenty of fish in this sea for both of us.

these are a lot of assumptions about a basic request for more info. i don't think anyone is asking for all of this?

they aren't and the fact that people are investing this much effort in trying to pick apart a small complaint is baffling.

yeah. speaking from experience, I've personally gotten a lot more interest and viable threading by including more information* on my character, so at the very least it doesn't hurt.

*note: i don't expect other people to do this, it's just what works for ne

which is also fair, but like, maybe someone made a journal mostly to tag out and they throw up a top level just for shits and giggles or to see if people who are canon familiar want to play with their blorbo while they expend more effort in tagging out than trying to lure people in. it's not a crime or a bad thing if people don't care enough to fill out their profile/journal with details passersby might want to peruse to give them info on if they want to tag or not. would it be nice for you, the peruser? sure. is it required? no.

honestly, all this thread is teaching me is that there are people that seem to want to just be mad about rp dying because they have no threads but they outright refuse to take a chance and just tag because... why?

that's not the sense i got from this minor gripe at all, and it's a little weird you're reading that from it and immediately taking this defensive position

there are people that seem to want to just be mad about rp dying because they have no threads but they outright refuse to take a chance and just tag because... why?

wgar

where did you get any of this

look, i think if anything this thread proves is that people have different mentalities when top leveling. some think someone who top levels has a duty to maximize the breadth of the net they're casting to entice tag-ins by supplying info and preferences. ultimately, the goal of listing this information is to make it easier for perfect strangers to tag you.

meanwhile, others are okay being more casual and just taking requests for info if/when they come. these people prefer direct communication and to talk specifics on a case-by-case basis.

the difference stems a little from how seriously you take memes, and probably there's a level of incompatibility there between the two camps.

"ultimately, the goal of listing this information is to make it easier for perfect strangers to tag you."

that's pretty much all it is from the first camp. you don't even need your first sentence

you do, though: because you come from a place of assuming that someone who top levels wants to maximise every single stranger tagging them. the second camp says, google or talk it out. they accept less of that burden.

where you're seeing people bristling is that some find it entitled you'd want to put the onus on them to make sure you in particular can tag them while doing no additional work (googling, asking questions), instead of meeting them halfway and communicating. meanwhile, the other guys seem to think it's lazy of someone top leveling to not put in the work of a few sentences to cater to their information needs.

not that you're biased or anything

lol mte

of course i'm biased, everyone in this conversation is. it's patently obvious which side you're on, too. so what?

that doesn't make me wrong. one half thinks the other is entitled, the other camps thinks the other is lazy. it, again, boils down to attitudes over how seriously you want to cater to drawing in as many tag-ins as possible, and how much you depend on memes for your play.

if you say so

personally i think it's good we're giving each other a skip. best possible outcome

i'm actually of the camp that thinks that there's nothing wrong with having little bios in your journal but also that most, if not all, of the people on anoncomms acting like a little info bio is the literal only thing keeping them from tagging out to people with fully made starters are full of shit.

nah it's one of many things actually

that doesn't really change my opinion and i'm not sure why it should

yeah again, I'm not trying to be harsh, but this is just a bunch of assumptions based on things no one has said or even implied.

as an aside i straight up don't see how you're getting all of this data from the sea of blank top-levels and overall tag inertia on bakerstreet.

i'm basing my assumptions on attitudes expressed in the many threads that have graced rpanons and wankgate on the topic. this isn't new territory, and honestly the two sides never agree in the end.

the only things i think genuinely add to the tag-in interest you get are:
- advertising your top level on plurk/discord and getting friends to tag
- doing a lot of tagging out and making a 'name' for yourself as someone who's fun to play with.

everything else: info, blurbs, scenarios, i don't personally think they really make a difference. even playing a very popular character isn't guaranteed to get you tag-ins, because in the heyday of any big name canon, you won't be the only one playing that character, and you have to differentiate yourself between the 999 other tony starks.

personally I've gotten more interest from including basic information and preferences, and giving people ideas in my starters than blank topleveling and waiting for people to recognize my character, tagging out on a whim, or advertising threads to friends. so i guess it's a matter of perspective. i don't have plurk anymore and yet I get a lot of meme play from doing the above, after trying all the other methods

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i'd just add 'regularly tagging back and maintaining threads' to the list, because the quickest way to differentiate yourself from the 999 other tony starks is becoming the tony stark who tags back and doesn't flake.

you're really focused on greg and patrick and sandy from a show about people who talk to each other here when i'm talking about people who tag out and it's vlorp the meepmorp from saturn 9. i don't know who vlorp is or what the fuck a meepmorp is and i'm not asking them to explain. what i would like to know is just a small blurb about vorp so i can understand how they would vibe.

it feels awkward getting a tag from a canon you know nothing about or trying to pick a toplevel from a bunch of canons you know nothing about so a sentence or two about their general deal or like i've said before, a preferences post that says what the player is/isn't against playing goes a long way.

not sure why vlorp the meepmorp is sending me but here we are

someone needs to make an oc vlorp the meepmorp now

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