See, I am just stunned that you people consider this to be somehow a world-shattering alteration to the city, which we apparently need to run to the mods for. Tell me: what actual damage does/did/could it do?
how about the part where this isn't a horror game and no one signed up to have venomous spiders crawling all over the damn place. if they wanted it to be an isolated thing, fine, but from what i've read in the last thread and in the post, they were intending it to become a city wide thing that would affect more than just themselves.
that is the problem. there was no 'hey for anyone who has a problem with spiders, here's a place to opt out of dealing with this'. they made an assumption about the way the world works without clearing it first and these are the consequences.
the problem isn't that the idea was shit, the problem is that they didn't get permission to run something that involves one of the game's mechanics without clearing it first. why not just have everyone make posts about magically affected birds flying over the city and crapping magically radiated shit on people and having them grow wings or need to make nests or something equally 'not a big deal' that uses one of the world's mechanics in a way they might not have been intended to have been used.
in a way they might not have been intended to have been used.
Which is... what? What is the intended purpose of the game mechanics? Because at this point, I don't feel that the mods themselves even know. I kind of thought that the purpose of the game, period, was for various people to have fun and be creative, but I guess that sort of thing is really frightening to people who are unable to scroll past a plot they aren't fond of.
Look, I don't like spiders either. But where was there anything indicating that people's characters would be affected by this whether they wanted to or not? You couldn't just pretend your characters had never come across any spiders? Come on now.
How about all the people that notice the 'wave of new people' that come in? Or the ones that forget that the video is functioning through their eyes. Or even in Kouga's own post about the cold making it hard to type when the character isn't physically typing anything since it's all mentally activated through their chips?
People who don't fully read/understand the game mechanics needs to have things pointed out to them. As I stated in a below answer, the spiders themselves being in the city is technically against the city's barriers unless there's a reason for them being there, which would involve there being a plot which doesn't seem to have been approved by any mods.
You're whiteknighting this awfully hard and I think you need to really take a look at why you're doing that. Ariel is essentially a big old sandbox to play out kinks in, yes. There's very little actual plot, but there IS still a plot and rules of the world that need to be followed.
I'm "whiteknighting" because I'm kind of frustrated by people's inability to cope with the unexpected and nonuniform in even the smallest possible doses. I'm also kind of puzzled as to why you feel any of this requires any amount of commitment from me (but somehow not from you?). I know CoA has a low tagging requirement, but typing up four (!!!) whole comments on one topic does really not take as much effort as you seem to think.
It's not the amount of comments you post, it's the message behind them. "The mods are stupid and won't let people do stuff. I'm going to hold my breath until they do."
If you really had a problem with it and were concerned about the creativity of the game, you could have been a mature adult about it and gone to the concerns page and left a CONCERN. Instead, you came here and complained about the meanie-head mods and their stupid choices over a totally brilliant plot idea that doesn't concern anyone ever.
Except for the points I've previously brought up about it being an element that breaks the rules of the game. So clearly I'm just making shit up now, right?
no, but honestly most people just vent here and never do anything that might actually get something done
it is extremely rare for someone to go to an HMD these days because that takes time and thought where you have to actually come up with good reasons or examples behind your points
just like it's rare for someone to go to the mods and say hey how could we maybe make that spider thing work or is it possible to do something similar but like (fill in the blank)
nope, I was just going on what came up in the posts and from the paste bin of her whining on plurk
you seem to know a bit more about it and what the mods said to Kouga than the rest of us though but you make more sense than she usually does which suggests you were one of the ones in on the plot or wanting in on it.
not sure how many games you've played in before but it is usually SOP to ask the mods about things like that that have a potential to cause massive plot unless it is a canon or character specific thing.
as far as I know the information regarding what someone will come across outside the city has been established due to people asking the mods first, anytime there has been an event where something might be held over people have asked the mods first to verify, any thing that might be game breaking or effect more than one or two people should be verified as doable. it's a thing. it happens and when it doesn't the mods have every right to stop it.
if you have an issue with that, take it up with the mods. suggest something that might be usable in it's place.
or you know...come bitch on wankgate about it where it won't make any difference what so ever
I've been roleplaying on LJ/DW for roughly forever, sisbro, and this is the first game I've been in that's this uptight about mod approval for like, a character stubbing their toe on some rocks (because NO ONE SAID THE PAVEMENT WASN'T PERFECTLY EVEN HUFF PUFF GAMEBREAKING!!!), while also having basically zero plot.
Also lmao thank you for your kind permission to come bitch on Wankgate. Look, the mods seem pretty invested in their pointless rules, I know when I'm outnumbered, there is really no point in bringing this up officially as far as I can see. So, yeah, I'm just gonna vent here instead. Not sure why this is such an issue for you?
If the game setting is some kind of flawless utopian city with daily perfectionist maintenance done to it, then a post of someone stubbing their toe on uneven pavement could be game breaking, and the mods would be well within their rights to pull a player up on it. The same applies here, because there shouldn't be any poisonous sex spiders getting past the barriers.
The mods of a game create a setting. The players should be aware of it and respectful of it, and if they want to do something that shakes up that setting, they should discuss it first. It's not stifling creativity, it's basic courtesy.
maybe i was? mods are taking the sex sandbox seriously enough to quash dumb player shit but not taking it seriously enough to provide any real plot or other game stuff. they need to take a chill pill and let some of these things happen. nobody gives two shakes of a lamb's tail about most of dissu shitto.
it's for slow-ass slice of life tl;dr purple prose people who think they are scandalous for liking the occasional kinky (but not too kinky becuz ew that's weird) smut.
if you aren't one of those, you aren't going to have fun here.
are you kidding? do you know how many players for some reason consider bondage the highest form of kink in ariel? it wasn't too long ago that someone was plurking about how ~naughty~ they felt because their character was going to try out some light bondage and everyone was tittering about how exciting it was.
not that bondage isn't kinky but a lot of players really aren't playing out the extreme kinks.
Chiming in to say that I actually was side-eyeing that. It just seemed really weird to get hung up on a detail like that, since it looks like Silver-mun had to retcon it in their thread. Is it really something so important that they couldn't go 'hey, for future reference the city doesn't condone non-con situations so don't do this again' and handwave this nameless npc was a shady dick who was punished for breaking rules?
Not really. Because this isn't the first time they've policed minor details like this, it probably won't be the last, and now I'm kind of worried that one day I'm going to get dinged because I forgot that on Wednesdays everyone wears pink.
the problem i think that's cropping up the most here is that people forget that this is a GAME and not just a sex sandbox. there are rules and there is a very low-current running plot for those that actually want to play with it, but most are happy just to let the city do what the city does, which is to put them in situations where they can play out kinky sex.
honestly, silver or not, i would have side-eyed someone playing out non-con at a government event, too. the guards and city officials would have zapped the people involved since it was clear one party wasn't having fun and their rules are about pleasure and integrating, not letting someone rape you because 'hey, at least it's sex'.
this IS a game. it's a game with rules. these rules are clearly stated, including non-con interactions. the fact that so many people who have been playing in the game for as long as most of them have been don't know the rules speaks more for itself than anything else.
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Re: CITY OF ARIEL
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)See, I am just stunned that you people consider this to be somehow a world-shattering alteration to the city, which we apparently need to run to the mods for. Tell me: what actual damage does/did/could it do?
Re: CITY OF ARIEL
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)that is the problem. there was no 'hey for anyone who has a problem with spiders, here's a place to opt out of dealing with this'. they made an assumption about the way the world works without clearing it first and these are the consequences.
the problem isn't that the idea was shit, the problem is that they didn't get permission to run something that involves one of the game's mechanics without clearing it first. why not just have everyone make posts about magically affected birds flying over the city and crapping magically radiated shit on people and having them grow wings or need to make nests or something equally 'not a big deal' that uses one of the world's mechanics in a way they might not have been intended to have been used.
Re: CITY OF ARIEL
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)Which is... what? What is the intended purpose of the game mechanics? Because at this point, I don't feel that the mods themselves even know. I kind of thought that the purpose of the game, period, was for various people to have fun and be creative, but I guess that sort of thing is really frightening to people who are unable to scroll past a plot they aren't fond of.
Look, I don't like spiders either. But where was there anything indicating that people's characters would be affected by this whether they wanted to or not? You couldn't just pretend your characters had never come across any spiders? Come on now.
Re: CITY OF ARIEL
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)People who don't fully read/understand the game mechanics needs to have things pointed out to them. As I stated in a below answer, the spiders themselves being in the city is technically against the city's barriers unless there's a reason for them being there, which would involve there being a plot which doesn't seem to have been approved by any mods.
You're whiteknighting this awfully hard and I think you need to really take a look at why you're doing that. Ariel is essentially a big old sandbox to play out kinks in, yes. There's very little actual plot, but there IS still a plot and rules of the world that need to be followed.
Re: CITY OF ARIEL
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)Re: CITY OF ARIEL
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)If you really had a problem with it and were concerned about the creativity of the game, you could have been a mature adult about it and gone to the concerns page and left a CONCERN. Instead, you came here and complained about the meanie-head mods and their stupid choices over a totally brilliant plot idea that doesn't concern anyone ever.
Except for the points I've previously brought up about it being an element that breaks the rules of the game. So clearly I'm just making shit up now, right?
Re: CITY OF ARIEL
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)like how mentioning someone's crap portrayal here means you've never ever ever left anything on an HMD in your whole life and you suck forever
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(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 11:21 pm (UTC)(link)it is extremely rare for someone to go to an HMD these days because that takes time and thought where you have to actually come up with good reasons or examples behind your points
just like it's rare for someone to go to the mods and say hey how could we maybe make that spider thing work or is it possible to do something similar but like (fill in the blank)
ayrt
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)you seem to know a bit more about it and what the mods said to Kouga than the rest of us though but you make more sense than she usually does which suggests you were one of the ones in on the plot or wanting in on it.
not sure how many games you've played in before but it is usually SOP to ask the mods about things like that that have a potential to cause massive plot unless it is a canon or character specific thing.
as far as I know the information regarding what someone will come across outside the city has been established due to people asking the mods first, anytime there has been an event where something might be held over people have asked the mods first to verify, any thing that might be game breaking or effect more than one or two people should be verified as doable. it's a thing. it happens and when it doesn't the mods have every right to stop it.
if you have an issue with that, take it up with the mods. suggest something that might be usable in it's place.
or you know...come bitch on wankgate about it where it won't make any difference what so ever
Re: ayrt
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)Also lmao thank you for your kind permission to come bitch on Wankgate. Look, the mods seem pretty invested in their pointless rules, I know when I'm outnumbered, there is really no point in bringing this up officially as far as I can see. So, yeah, I'm just gonna vent here instead. Not sure why this is such an issue for you?
Re: ayrt
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)not sure why your panties are in a bunch?
Re: ayrt
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)Re: ayrt
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)The mods of a game create a setting. The players should be aware of it and respectful of it, and if they want to do something that shakes up that setting, they should discuss it first. It's not stifling creativity, it's basic courtesy.
Re: ayrt
(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)no unofficial fun allowed, message received my overlords
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(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)it's for slow-ass slice of life tl;dr purple prose people who think they are scandalous for liking the occasional kinky (but not too kinky becuz ew that's weird) smut.
if you aren't one of those, you aren't going to have fun here.
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(Anonymous) 2014-02-13 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)0/10
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(Anonymous) 2014-02-14 12:18 am (UTC)(link)not that bondage isn't kinky but a lot of players really aren't playing out the extreme kinks.
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(Anonymous) 2014-02-14 12:29 am (UTC)(link)honestly, silver or not, i would have side-eyed someone playing out non-con at a government event, too. the guards and city officials would have zapped the people involved since it was clear one party wasn't having fun and their rules are about pleasure and integrating, not letting someone rape you because 'hey, at least it's sex'.
this IS a game. it's a game with rules. these rules are clearly stated, including non-con interactions. the fact that so many people who have been playing in the game for as long as most of them have been don't know the rules speaks more for itself than anything else.
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