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Wait, I'm sorry, how the fuck does this help Kay manipulate ANYONE? Nobody's saying "Oh, she's trans now, this means she must be a good person!" Every single comment in favor of not misgendering her is "Yes, we agree she is still a terrible fuck of a person, but that doesn't mean we need to shit on a trans person's identity."

How is believing her gender identity being manipulated? What the fuck does she get out of people believing she's trans? Seriously, what the fuck is your idea of her endgame?

In other words, how does believing her "shit on real trans people"? If anything, all you're doing is the opposite, by setting precedent that trans peoples' identities can be invalidated simply by OH THEY'VE LIED BEFORE. Do you not see what a terrible precedent that sets?

We lose nothing by believing her as long as we still recognize she's an awful person.

Please for fuck's sake will you go back to Tumblr?

So what you're saying is that you have no actual answer to my questions and as such have completely failed to look at this logically.

Good to know, thanks.

What I said was perfectly logical. What you have said is fucking stupid.

"Oh yes, call her a liar, but totally accept what she just claimed at face value!"

Oh yes, tell me again just how much more logical that is than "Kevin is a liar, therefore I am not going to believe ANYTHING he says, not even this."

Please provide answers to my earlier questions, kthx:

"How is believing her gender identity being manipulated? What the fuck does she get out of people believing she's trans? Seriously, what the fuck is your idea of her endgame?

In other words, how does believing her "shit on real trans people"? If anything, all you're doing is the opposite, by setting precedent that trans peoples' identities can be invalidated simply by OH THEY'VE LIED BEFORE. Do you not see what a terrible precedent that sets?"

simple. presenting this new identity as a woman named "kay" instead of a man named "kevin" so that when he wants to get his creey lesbian fetishization kicks on with new people in the future he can do it without triggering an immediate, ew, you're a cis guy fetishizing women reaction like he does now.

because he has finally gotten to the point almost no one will tag or play with him as things stand. new approach, same predatorial shtick.

usually i'd be all over giving someone the benefit of the doubt, but

kevin was explicitly told that his behaviour would go over better if he were a girl

Game. Set. Match.

Can we let this go now, Tumblrinanons?

if you actually have a pastebin of that and it's not from a locked comm or somewhere else on DW, would you PLEASE post that? They want proof, that's definitely proof that this is shady as shit.

oh shit

one of the complaints people have had against kevin for a long time now is his fetishization of lesbians and playing lesbians in an utterly gross, dehumanizing way. obviously by invoking the sacred cow of trans he can deflect a portion of what people have seen as skeevy about this behavior, a man playing women in disgusting, exploitative ways and being pushy toward others to get them to go along with it. and look. it sure is working. nobody wants to talk about what actually makes him a shitty human being anymore.

they're too busy trying to police what people call him and up in arms that some people require more than a known liar's manipulatively phrased and timed declaration to actually believe a word he says. when you have kevin's track record, the burden of proof is on you. sacred cows don't make you untouchable.

... if it's an attempt to deflect, don't you think that's failed, like, massively? since literally zero people have said she's not a creeper anymore just because she's a woman?

the topic has been dominated by transwank because when you purposefully misgender someone out of spite, it starts and fuels transwank. This is really basic, anon.

Also, again with the manipulator label, like, what has this base moron done that justifies calling them a manipulator? they are literally too stupid to do that.

no, there's no way this could possibly set them up with future people as being seen less creepy initially and therefore allow them to get their disgusting fetish pushing on without being seen as threatening or gross as they would be as a cis guy.

throwing pity parties for yourself is manipulative. getting people to play with you by making them feel bad for you is manipulative. being called out on shit, promising to do better, and failing to follow through on your promises is manipulative.

you don't have to be a mastermind at it to still be manipulative.

THANK you. Holy shit, people.

He wouldn't still have friends and people willing to stick up for him if he wasn't at least minimally dishonest and manipulative.

How these people don't think that post in the OOC comm wasn't clearly a manipulative move makes me wonder.

Anon, even guys like Ken still have friends and he was 100% honest about his being a rapist.

Some people just don't care. They're not being manipulated.

you do have to be really stupid to be manipulated that, so I don't have a lot of pity for you or anyone else that bought into it.

and really, it's not as if there's ZERO RECORD of them having identified as male previously. You are giving Kay tremendously more credit than she could ever deserve.

and you are completely missing the point. gold star for you.

we aren't "purposefully misgendering someone out of spite," we're doubting the transparently emotionally manipulative claims of somebody who is a known liar

if this happened with a wanker who is an asshole but not necessarily a liar, this wouldn't be an issue. it's an issue this time because it's kevin specifically

this really is not rocket science

you can word it any way you like, it doesn't change that you're misgendering someone out of spite, anon.

you and kay deserve each other.

you are literally an idiot

as opposed to figuratively being one?

It's not "misgendering someone out of spite".

It's not believing that a liar is telling the truth.

How many times do we have to keep going round and round on this?

ok look here is the difference

"purposefully misgendering someone" requires believing they are trans, and just being an asshole about it

the key thing here is that people don't believe kevin is actually trans, because he is a fucking liar

i am using the pronouns that i absolutely believe correspond with his actual gender identity

Obviously it is.

Hell, I hate Ca with a passion, but if she came out as a transman, I'd believe it.

Why?

Because Ca is known as a toxic asshole, not necessarily as a liar.

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