Like I said, putting aside the really crappy post. I think you're right. Feferi's player seems intimately aware she's thirteen and is playing up the fact that she's a vulnerable character being manipulated and used for a lark. There's a bit of a skeevy feel to the way that this player is treating the scene. No disagreement here.
I am actually more trying to question and address the general view that treats these characters as basically human, but with gray skin. In a way, even the Feferi-mun is slightly guilty of this. Though they use different words for certain concepts and play up a little non-human behavior, they do give off the vibe of "I got away with putting this kid on stage," which is just as problematic (if not worse) as the other extreme of "How dare you put them in any adult situations. They're 13!"
So, yes, we agree that this player's got some issues going here. I'm trying to move past and ask a question about a more general habit in the HS fandom. However, this is wankgate, so I'm not sure it's the best venue for the topic to really be considered.
I understand your point, but the Homestuck trolls are kind of a bad example of the fantasy race thing, because they are very obviously supposed to be on the same mental level as normal human teenagers. Yes, they have differences from humans that need to be observed, but they have lots of similarities, too. I mean, the entire point is that they're annoying teenage internet trolls. So yeah, saying "But they're thirteen" in the context of Homestuck is pretty legitimate. Now I say that as someone who has written un-aged-up sex for them before (well, they were at the fifteen mark I guess), so I'm being a little hypocritical, but I guess what got me was that they made it seem like Feferi had no clue what was going on, which is super creepy. But my point here was that you're saying "look at the context" when the context really is "these are teenagers with many of the same emotional reactions human teenagers have."
Races like elves, that you mentioned, where 18 can't really be the age for sex if they're still considered mentally children at 200, are much better examples than the trolls. Sure, they've had a hard life, but we see them doing lots of normal things, too; playing with toys and games, getting into petty arguments with friends, showing love or at least caring for their lusii, getting and losing crushes with ridiculous frequency, and pretty much everything else you witness on a typical day in any junior high. That's why "But they're 13!" really does work in this instance.
Well, I don't think we're really arguing about this instance, personally, so let's just leave the topic at "this one's definitely creepy." I think any further discussion will get lost in the specifics of the example. I might bring up the topic more generally over at rpanons one of these days.
This particular case really doesn't deserve to be the example to rely on. There's a lot wrong with it.
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AYRT
(Anonymous) 2012-10-12 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)I am actually more trying to question and address the general view that treats these characters as basically human, but with gray skin. In a way, even the Feferi-mun is slightly guilty of this. Though they use different words for certain concepts and play up a little non-human behavior, they do give off the vibe of "I got away with putting this kid on stage," which is just as problematic (if not worse) as the other extreme of "How dare you put them in any adult situations. They're 13!"
So, yes, we agree that this player's got some issues going here. I'm trying to move past and ask a question about a more general habit in the HS fandom. However, this is wankgate, so I'm not sure it's the best venue for the topic to really be considered.
Re: AYRT
(Anonymous) 2012-10-13 03:31 am (UTC)(link)Races like elves, that you mentioned, where 18 can't really be the age for sex if they're still considered mentally children at 200, are much better examples than the trolls. Sure, they've had a hard life, but we see them doing lots of normal things, too; playing with toys and games, getting into petty arguments with friends, showing love or at least caring for their lusii, getting and losing crushes with ridiculous frequency, and pretty much everything else you witness on a typical day in any junior high. That's why "But they're 13!" really does work in this instance.
Re: AYRT
(Anonymous) 2012-10-13 03:35 am (UTC)(link)This particular case really doesn't deserve to be the example to rely on. There's a lot wrong with it.