wankgate | 130.5: I'm liking this new direction for William Carlos Williams.

looks like they never bothered to respond and clarify about their plagiarism issue

that's shitty

I'm so glad they think they can throw plagarism around as an accusation freely.

looks like the posts here reminded people, there's an anon asking for the mod who claimed it to be thrown out if they can't supply word for word evidence

i'd honestly assumed they'd pm'd the player about it like the player asked them to, but since the player themselves has just pointed out they never did...

what the fuck, really. i don't know what their issue with the player is (didn't read any app but jade's, since it came up here) but if you're going to stretch for reasons for a reject, use something not accusing a player of plagarism

i still insist they brought on one particularly spectacular asshole who's speaking for the whole team and smearing their idiocy everywhere

said asshole has no business being on an app team let alone anywhere with any measure of power

it was a shitty thing to do but i can't believe this player is the one people are dying on the cross for

before they even put their app in people were talking about how they hope that player doesn't app again here on wg

some anon on there said they spent weeks cross-checking that app with other sources...really?

it doesn't really matter who the player is jfc

if they pull it out on one person and nobody calls them on their bullshit they'll do it again because hey it worked last time

bullshit is bullshit it doesn't matter who it happens to

it doesn't matter how shitty the player is when the mods themselves looked ten times worse. nobody would've complained if they found legitimate reasons to reject them, but the player turned in an ok (if not stellar) app and instead they bullshitted them around, contradicted themselves, and ultimately wasted everyone's time.

are they a fantastic rper? no. did they deserve to get treated that way? also no, since afaik they're not wanky and actually responded reasonably to the whole mess. and ffs i'd get paranoid too if someone accused me of plagiarism. what else were they supposed to do?

because plagiarism is a big fucking deal.

Because it's with the Jade app that the mods were caught red-handed:

- making self-contradicting revision requests
- making revision requests that require mind-reading to actually answer
- making unsupported accusations of plagiarism

That is why. Stop asking. You already asked before, and we answered you then. It wouldn't even matter if the app was terrible and the player was a huge wanker, it's not okay to process apps like this.

so do you just have to let a known shitty player in if they turn in an adequate app?

This is what I'm wondering.

Like yes, this was handled with all the grace of an epileptic squirrel trying to do ballet, but for real, did anyone actually want the mods to just let in someone who apparently needed four tries to write a non-shittastic app?

I think at that point you can just PM the player in question and say sorry but we don't feel that you meet the standards of this game, please don't apply again.

It doesn't seem like this particular player would have brought it to wankgate and even if they did they probably wouldn't have had many people on their side.

the mods basically shot themselves in the foot a bit here, yeah. most people probably would have been okay with something like that.

fewer people are okay with the blatant ridiculousness and plagiarism accusations, though some won't care.

"an epileptic squirrel trying to do ballet" should be our next post title

you may be confused about where you are, anon. the wankgate mods rarely do post titles like that. that's rpanons.

no the dinosaur's trying a new thing

thus our current title post

(no subject)

(Anonymous) - 2015-02-16 02:21 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

(Anonymous) - 2015-02-16 03:55 (UTC) - Expand

I feel like after two rejections a person should always be told that. There was someone in one of my games who had played about eight characters over two years in it and EVERY character got in after they'd had at least one revision or rejection for that app. If every time you app you get a revision or a rejection, overall your quality isn't suitable to that specific game. When you're told what's wrong you can more easily embellish and in this person's case, ask your friends to help you get in.

Idk, I feel higher app qualifications all around in most games should be enforced because of that person and moments like this. Inevitably, it would keep the really boring and mediocre but all right players out of most games.

the point is that you don't start grasping at straws and claim plagiarism.

i know more than a few people who write great apps and are boring flakes when they get into the game. i guess applications aren't everything! but if i were you i'd be careful of suggesting we just kick out perfectly average players like "that person" for not meeting some arbitrary bar of leetness

since guess what chances are good you're just an average rper yourself

like 95% of every single game

Re: RYSLIG

(Anonymous) - 2015-02-18 06:46 (UTC) - Expand

No, but that's when you use "player concerns" as an excuse not the fucking idiotic plagiarism asspull they can't back up that's dragging this issue out weeks after the app round.

uh YES

if there's nothing wrong with their app let them fucking play

if you don't want to play with them because you are too hot shit then just don't tag them, for fuck's sake if we banned everyone who didn't play amazingly then there'd be maybe two players on the fucking game.

if someone turns in an adequate app, you let them into the game, yes. if you have to pull a reason out of thin fucking air, use "player concerns", not something that's actually serious even irl.

Even if you don't like them, even if you hate their writing, if they turn in an app that's all right (or, at least, has concerns that you've already looked past for a friend or a fresh face), you either suck it up and let them in or fall back on player concerns.

If they're actually bad, you might even have some. Wankgate handed them several on a silver platter and they still screwed it up.

............... What do you write apps for? They did exactly what they were supposed to, to the standard that was expected of them. That is all anyone is required to do to get accepted into a game. That's the point of the system.

We only typically look outside of the scope of applications if a person has a history of ruining the game experience for others ICly by powerplaying/overtaking the setting, or OOCly making people feel threatened or uncomfortable. In those cases, there's no reason to go through an app process with them at all. You blacklist them.

Bending your own guidelines to keep someone out or accusing them of plagiarism without supporting evidence not only makes a farce of your own process, but it makes you a bigger sack of shit than whoever you were trying to keep out. If you don't blacklist them, you make it clear you're giving them a fair shot at applying. If you fail to uphold that then it's not just their trust you damage, but the trust of anyone who goes through your application process.

'They aren't even gooooooddd thoooughhhhhhh' is so far from the point that it's breaking up and falling into Jupiter.

130.5: I'm liking this new direction for William Carlos Williams.

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

ayrt

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

da

dda

MOD

no subject

no subject

(no subject)

(no subject)

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

Re: RYSLIG

+1000

Re: RYSLIG