wankgate | 134: reading comprehension optional

"it's all propaganda!" anon up there is completely ignoring who and what that propoganda was for. because captain america was created by jewish comic creators and his story was that of the son of irish immigrants (another group who got shat on but not as much by this era thus more acceptable for a stand-in), who fights to uphold the american ideal, even if it goes against the status quo at the time. the times that he's be intentionally used to force that status quo (like anti-commie!cap), usually end up retconned, explained away, or flat out ignored later on because good writers get that isn't who steve rogers is meant to be.

now in today we look at his character and go "what a stereotype" but a lot of that stereotype exists BECAUSE of him. it's like calling romeo and juliet a stereotype based on modern media.

it feels like a lot of the anons here are passing judgments and making statements that make no sense when you consider context and history, but they probably know nothing really about the character and are talking out of their asses anyway.

oh boy out come the cap stans to argue that steve is the perfect paragon and flawless defender of bunselves from post to shining post

captain america was created with flaws. he has plenty of them. tumblr idiots who make him a sjw mouthpiece are stupid. you are just as stupid as making up shit based on your flawed and ignorant views of history and the character's creation to make that case.

yet here you are.

captain america is not the champion of ~minorities~ no matter how much you try to spin him into one. he is literally a blond-haired, blue-eyed, jackboot wearing propaganda device

one that was created with plenty of ironic touches for idiots like you to cream themselves over, yes, but a propaganda device nonetheless. his whole deal pretty much for his first couple decades of existence was 'that guy that punched hitler'

no one here is claiming that he's a champion of minorities.

that doesn't make him a blindly homophobic, racist, sexist, fundie idiot who would support repairative therapy. not in mcu, and sure as fuck not in comics canon.

you can argue that you think the canon is stupid in spite of being historically accurate if you want to (you'd be wrong, but you can), but that doesn't make him not screaming slurs and recoiling in horror canon. or supporting any other bullshit that's not liberal progressive shit.

it is literally part of his god damned canon.

This is less about him being a paragon of SJ and more he blatantly isn't the straight white conservative christian all-american ideal and that the premise he was in anyway meant to be a straight white conservative christian all-american ideal is blatantly idiotic at best.

The idea he is just a propaganda device is stupid, because at the time of his creation he went against the grain like whoa and upset a lot of people to the point of protests and death threats, until america did a 180 and finally decided they were going to actually participate in the European aspect of the war and went around declaring themselves big damn heroes for the next several decades.

After america decided 'yeah, actually, fuck nazis' then he was elevated to propaganda device status but prior to that america was pretty sympathetic to the whole nazi thing.

> prior to that america was pretty sympathetic to the whole nazi thing

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

pretty sure henry ford, charles lindbergh and a small coterie of like-minded individuals =/= america

this is like saying america in the 80s was sympathetic to nicaraguan terrorists b/c oliver north and ronald reagan decided to secretly arm them. if america was sympathetic to them, then the arming wouldn't very well have needed to be secret, now would it?

sympathetic was probably too strong a word for other anon to use, but the US government's position prior to pearl harbor was very staunchly "come on girls you're BOTH pretty pls keep trading with us while we refuse to take sides" despite what the popular opinion might have been (though it was pretty much the same because no one on a personal level wanted to get involved in another european conflict after the first great war and the economic trauma of the great depression).

and then when we DID get involved in the war effort it was less an issue of "wow we gotta help those poor jews" and more "FUCK THOSE ASSHOLES THEY BOMBED US." also, antisemitism in the US was really out of control during the war because people decided to blame the jews for pissing off hitler and starting the war. (antisemitism was never really a hallmark of logical thinking.)

that captain america was created as a device to fight for justice rather than straight up revenge was pretty against the grain of the rest of the war propaganda in comics at the time. see: superman (being resident comic moses proxy not withstanding because iirc by that time his original jewish creators were uninvolved in producing the comic) beating up racist caricatures of hirohito and telling you to buy war bonds.

in the MOVIE, obviously he's part of a completely separate propaganda machine that is based on positioning him as america's big superfist to punch hitler right in the mouth, but steve as a person is obviously really uncomfortable with being in that role, so take from that what you will.

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