I would never get down on what anyone else was into on their corner of the internet BUT I can say personally, as a lesbian who has had unhealthy realtionships, a lot of the dynamics that pop up just end up too close to home, and it takes any enjoyment out.
I am 100% positive a lot of that is because of the female characters and the issues they have being provided by media just getting too close to that line, not because they CAN'T be fucked up in ways I find intresting. Like, I like my fucked up reeeeally fucked up (I don't ship Hannigram but that level. Serial killers, big dramatic things like that) and I can't think of any f/f realtionship that have those kinda dynamics (that I know of, I'm sure they exist but I can list off dozen of m/m and m/f ones.) f/f fucked up tend to lean more towards messy emotional stuff in my fandoms and that just doesn't ring my bell.
that said, this conversation has sparked some ideas, and this may be something i try to look for now. I like the idea of it, I just can't think of good characters to meet that idea.
On a personal level, I don't think anyone should be pressured to RP anything they don't enjoy or that makes them uncomfortable.
But there's a problem in fandom where people shun/police/look down on others who enjoy unhealthy f/f (instead of just ignoring it and playing out stuff they like instead), and I think that goes back to more than just someone's personal relationship issues.
again most of the people i found who shamed me for shipping unhealthy f/f specifically were other f/f shippers ex. "why are you shipping this problematic ship when you could be shipping the healthy one?" maybe because i want to?
true, but if I had to guess, I'd say in the circles rp and fandom pull from, "woman who have had some sort of emotionally negative relationship with another woman" (whether in a romantic or other way) probably rates higher in frequency than the same situations in male/female dynamics, and waaaay higher than male/male dynamics.
So you have a bigger chances of a trope hitting close to home in some one's real life, and then less characters, creating a smaller pool to be aiming for in the first place. I also think it's a lot of why you have seen things getting better in regards to ALL FF, since people can signal boost and share female characters they like, which is making more get created.
do you watch anime? just curious, and it's fine if you don't. i won't call you a medium snob or anything.
but i can think of a lot of fucked up relationships in anime of the kind you're describing that are between two women, but i have a much more difficult time thinking of la western media with female relationships that would fit those criteria.
Some (my "hannigram but not" couple I was thinking is anime) but not any I can think of with those dynamics. But it does lend more, i think, than a lot of western stuff might. I can see some book fandom too.
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wankgate2015-03-23 07:32 pm
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)I am 100% positive a lot of that is because of the female characters and the issues they have being provided by media just getting too close to that line, not because they CAN'T be fucked up in ways I find intresting. Like, I like my fucked up reeeeally fucked up (I don't ship Hannigram but that level. Serial killers, big dramatic things like that) and I can't think of any f/f realtionship that have those kinda dynamics (that I know of, I'm sure they exist but I can list off dozen of m/m and m/f ones.) f/f fucked up tend to lean more towards messy emotional stuff in my fandoms and that just doesn't ring my bell.
that said, this conversation has sparked some ideas, and this may be something i try to look for now. I like the idea of it, I just can't think of good characters to meet that idea.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)+1
(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)But there's a problem in fandom where people shun/police/look down on others who enjoy unhealthy f/f (instead of just ignoring it and playing out stuff they like instead), and I think that goes back to more than just someone's personal relationship issues.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)ayrt
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 04:37 am (UTC)(link)So you have a bigger chances of a trope hitting close to home in some one's real life, and then less characters, creating a smaller pool to be aiming for in the first place. I also think it's a lot of why you have seen things getting better in regards to ALL FF, since people can signal boost and share female characters they like, which is making more get created.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)but i can think of a lot of fucked up relationships in anime of the kind you're describing that are between two women, but i have a much more difficult time thinking of la western media with female relationships that would fit those criteria.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 02:57 am (UTC)(link)Any recs tho while we're here?