wankgate | 134: reading comprehension optional

i admit my first reaction was to laugh at certain 2edgy parts of fandom. other than that, it was really bittersweet. someone really needed to give slaine a hug, and i say this after being a dedicated slaine hater all season. i guess sleipnir/tharsis sort of counts.

what annoys me most is that they didn't mention saazbaum. like yeah sure, blame slaine for what he actually did, say saazbaum started it and slaine picked up where he left off, don't just blame it all on slaine when he was a hapless fluffball for most of it. or maybe they did blame saazbaum and just speculated that his adopted son was in on it from the start?

I hate to say this, but I think they were going for Zero Requiem 2.0. a.k.a "let's put the whole blame on one person to end the war for good and then kill him off" minus the part where Slaine's "death" was fake. That's my guess, but it'd be so stupid if it's true. Like you said, Saazbaum started the plot to kill Asseylum, not Slaine.

for the record i hated zero requiem and i hate it if that's what's supposed to be going on here. i don't think it's quite the same though. slaine didn't do it on purpose, things just ended up like that. that it would help peace makes more sense because he WAS the common enemy and the factions making peace were the ones not really fighting each other. most of the actual warmongers were dead, both sides wanted peace and trade. it sort of works. but while i get that slaine is the easiest to blame for everyone involved i think they could have afforded to tell the truth about saazbaum too. again maybe they did but people just assumed slaine was involved too because it fit the narrative.

because all sides were corrupted, including asseylum. she's no better than saazbaum when she established her 'peace' on a lie, and all lies will eventually end, and never bothering to make internal changes on her country, only worrying about a strange world and ignoring her people. you're assuming this ending isn't to leave a sour and bitter taste when slaine is the main character. picaresque stories is about a low born hero struggle to rise from his situation, being corrupted by the world because the world he lives is rotten to the core, and then fall from grace (w/ a hope spot end for him where he realizes his mistakes) to show the audience is hopeless to try to change a fucked up world that would swallow and spit out people. the world continues to be messed up, they are left with complicated feelings.

they are usually comedies, tho, that's what the show fail to deliver.

You're the bootyblasted Slaine stan that's been rubbing your ass all over the last few posts, are you? You are really determined to make everyone see Slaine as a wronged and misunderstood hero and the rest of the cast as malicious, backstabbing morons.

I'm pretty sure I'm the slaine ~*~stan~*~ you're talking about.

I'll never understand people's tendency to view "not agreeing with one side = 110% ON THE OTHER GUY'S SIDE"

I just believe(d) that he was the he was the less worse option, before it was revealed they live in a universe where it turns out you can just ask for peace and get it.

to prove it to you: asseylum didn't do anything surprising in the finale, for me. bad shit, yeah, not surprising. she was doing her best, her best is just terrible. (deciding slaine as a scapegoat for everything was somehow buyable, which in turn means not punishing other culprits, and making the problem of versian/terran racism worse than ever before; screwing vers over economically; etc)

slaine decided to entrust the fate of vers to this person. someone he absolutely should have recognised as a bad fit for the job. he selfishly screwed over the majority of vers, practically on a whim, simply because somebody he idolized asked him to with half a backbone instead of their usual none.

I'm not mad. I'm not salty. I'm just silly levels of deeply disappointed for a silly anime.

actually yeah she is better than saazbaum, she never started a war that killed millions of innocent people. and she is changing vers by getting resources through trade and supporting aldnoah research to make it available to everyone. it won't happen overnight but the world is starting to get better. that's what they all wanted in the first place.

tl;dr: wah wah wah wah wah wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You sound like this bitch, even down to the picaresque mention: http://thessaliah.tumblr.com/post/114925329892/accioharo-are-people-seriously-blaming-asseylum

Asseylum may be a lame as fuck character, but please go away Slaine apologist.

i wish I could put these two in a cage and let them at each other. hopefully they'd knock each other out and stop whining.

Me too, anon. I'll even bring in the popcorn to watch the duel from a safe distance. Crazy Slaine stand vs crazy Slaine stan

i'd be willing to bet they're the same person tbh

nope, they ain't

but how do you know

Zero Requiem was emotionally fulfilling because Lelouch intended everything, and it was one last great identity-switching flamboyant gambit from a character who had been all about flamboyant gambits and identity-switching from the start. I haven't seen Geass in a long time, but Lelouch's ending was kind of karmic.

This Slaine bullshit came out of nowhere. Slaine did things wrong, like continuing the war after Asseylum asked him to stop, putting Asseylum and Lemrina under house arrest, shooting Inaho, killing Saazbaum, and using Lemrina to warmonger. He plausibly deserves some karmic retribution for that. But being blamed for starting the war isn't related to that. Unlike Lelouch, the moral stigma Slaine got is qualitatively and quantitatively unrelated to his wrongdoing.

tl;dr Zero Requiem was an emotionally fulfilling ending because it was flowed logically from what Lelouch had done; Aldnoah Zero isn't emotionally fulfilling because blaming Slaine for everything came out of nowhere.

There are in-universe problems that make this stupid, too. First, are there really people who believe a sixteen-year-old boy orchestrated a royal assassination and interplanetary war? Second, by pinning the Slaine (who Martians can think of as a Terran, and Terrans can think of as a Martian), aren't they just exacerbating the racism/xenophobia that provoked war between Earth and Mars in the first place?

In the original drafts, Slaine was apparently a much more ambitious character, who actively resented the Orbital Knights for treating him like trash and who never met Asseylum before she came to him for tutoring a few months before her peace visit. Blaming a character like that might be more logically and emotionally palatable. "This character tried to advance himself and fell on his face." But Slaine wasn't ambitious, he was a fluffball. So the end was a nonsensical "This character tried to make someone he loved happy, and she told everyone he was literally worse than Hitler."

how can anyone tolerate this bullshit ending and buy "it's happy because slaine smiled and saw some birds" like that justifies the suffering he was put through since the beginning, only to increase the bullying planetary scale with a stigma against him. it's tasteless and feels they blame him because they can't tolerate to owe up their own shortcomings and mistakes, because they don't want to be punished.

I agree with everything you've said here a hundred percent.

Also, the Zero Requiem was legit simply a better fucking scene. Music and composition and all.

Also, Lelouch deserved it. He had done so much awful shit by the end of Geass (both intentionally as part of Zero Requiem and before that when he was just doing his thing) that there was no way he could possibly get a karma houdini ending. He had it coming, and knew he had it coming.

Slaine fucked up a bunch, but he didn't deserve it nearly as badly as Lelouch did.

my theory is that everyone who cares to put 2 and 2 together can see that saazbaum was involved. not that they can prove he planned it but he was a driving force behind the conflict. however blaming saazbaum is politically bad while the peace is still shaky. by not accusing him or his allies publically and letting people blame slaine who was already the big bad as far as both sides were concerned they focus on peace instead of who still alive is responsible for what. what ue/asseylum are telling vers/the remaining orbital knights is "yeah we know what you did but we want to get along so as long as you don't do that shit again we're cool" while keeping it as blackmail material over them. years later when earth and vers are all friendly people may come around to saying "c'mon that saazbaum dude probably did it and slaine was just a follower who took over" but at that point no one's really going to care which dead bad guy did what.

personally i'm not a fan, i wanted everyone to get blamed for the exact things they actually did. but there's also how the actual truth wouldn't even make sense to anyone because slaine's actions are so all over the place. season 1 slaine isn't season 2 slaine, and season 2 slaine was on record doing or supporting things that would make him a hated enemy to both earth and vers. in the end he got his identity tangled up in all this crazy and there was no way to save his reputation. he can still get a new life under a new identity and live happily, unlike lelouch unless you're a fan of the cart driver theory.

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