bootstraps are funny, back when i was still young and fighting to maintain steady employment i had that same 'fuck bootstraps' attitude as you. but now that i actually have steady employment and have for some time i find myself agreeing with the bootstrappers more often than not
a person's position on bootstraps is a great way to figure out where they are in life. never in my three plus decades have i met an anti-bootstrapper who wasn't in dire economic straits, either by bad luck or (more often than not these days) laziness and a sneering contempt for "the system" that subsidizes said laziness
thanks for saying this bc i agree on every front and i feel like i'm taking crazy pills whenever i see anti-bootstrapper shit here and on tumblr
but ig i shouldn't be surprised that lazy privileged children want to keep pretending in a fantasy where they are unable to work and viciously insult whoever calls them out for being a leech on their parents' finances
if the past four years have taught me anything, it's that people living in a delusion can twist words and logic into gordian knots to justify themselves. and the more ridiculous the delusion, the more knots they twist themselves into to avoid looking at themselves the way everyone else looks at them
i still feel some sympathy because it wasn't too long ago i was in their shoes but at the end of the day it really does just come down to privilege. as much as i hated it at the time, in retrospect being forced to move out on my own and not having any more student aid money to pay for everything with was the best thing that could have happened to me. nothing shakes a person out of comfortable delusions quicker than a boot to the ass
it's the "it's tiring to see babies on the internet wail about how they can't get a job as a freelance artist and are forced to work shitty jobs like the rest of the world but they just caaaaan't and would rather beg for money on tumblr than put in work like everyone else who's less fortunate" mindset
This is exactly how I feel. I think a lot of it is more that people cry "bootstrapping" when it's not. It isn't a bootstrap mentality when someone in their late 20s or early 30s tries to help someone younger and struggling by saying "here's what I did to get out of my rut".
A lot of the time, people are just trying to offer encouragement to people who are too deep in their pit to see where there might be a light at the end.
I once had someone local to me accuse me of yelling "BOOTSTRAPS!" when I replied to their gofundme plea with a list of local places that had help wanted signs out front (this person was able-bodied and has never given me any indication to think they weren't able to take a part-time job).
Like... Yeah? Of course the idea of people getting help (with whatever) is more appealing to you when you need help and less appealing when you don't. Is this supposed to be a major insight?
you're generalizing. not everyone who needs help buys into the fuck bootstraps mentality.
it's an insight into the general decay of personal responsibility that so many people nowadays do. i'm ashamed to think i once did, knowing even then there were people around me who were just as bad or even worse off who (horrors!) just... well, pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, just like that other anon in this thread. and they did it without relying on assistance (which isn't bad by itself, but it shouldn't be option a) or blaming the system, which are both frankly more than i was capable of doing.
sorry but "put your big girl panties on" is not actually the same as "pull yourself up by your bootstraps"
and "stop talking openly about innocuous things that are one of the cornerstones of human social interaction" is not actually just asking for a "small basic courtesy"
well done with derailing the thread though. people sure took this bait
idk anon, i think calling calorie counting a cornerstone of human social interaction is giving it, and this trainwreck of a thread that's mostly just trolling at this point, way too much credit.
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-07 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)Get therapy. Become well-adjusted. Stop expecting the world to cater to your disorders.
If matters to you, you'll find a way. If it doesn't, you'll find excuses to keep bitching on the internet.
>fucking none of us are
The projection is real.
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-07 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)little else is being requested of you than some basic small courtesy
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 12:19 am (UTC)(link)if something innocuous that the vast, vast majority of people don't flinch at makes you cry and shake, you don't need to be on it
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 01:20 am (UTC)(link)a person's position on bootstraps is a great way to figure out where they are in life. never in my three plus decades have i met an anti-bootstrapper who wasn't in dire economic straits, either by bad luck or (more often than not these days) laziness and a sneering contempt for "the system" that subsidizes said laziness
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 01:28 am (UTC)(link)like, good for you that you got to a better place in life, but jesus christ you're insufferable when you talk like this.
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 01:48 am (UTC)(link)but ig i shouldn't be surprised that lazy privileged children want to keep pretending in a fantasy where they are unable to work and viciously insult whoever calls them out for being a leech on their parents' finances
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 02:18 am (UTC)(link)i still feel some sympathy because it wasn't too long ago i was in their shoes but at the end of the day it really does just come down to privilege. as much as i hated it at the time, in retrospect being forced to move out on my own and not having any more student aid money to pay for everything with was the best thing that could have happened to me. nothing shakes a person out of comfortable delusions quicker than a boot to the ass
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 01:56 am (UTC)(link)it's the "it's tiring to see babies on the internet wail about how they can't get a job as a freelance artist and are forced to work shitty jobs like the rest of the world but they just caaaaan't and would rather beg for money on tumblr than put in work like everyone else who's less fortunate" mindset
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 02:12 am (UTC)(link)A lot of the time, people are just trying to offer encouragement to people who are too deep in their pit to see where there might be a light at the end.
I once had someone local to me accuse me of yelling "BOOTSTRAPS!" when I replied to their gofundme plea with a list of local places that had help wanted signs out front (this person was able-bodied and has never given me any indication to think they weren't able to take a part-time job).
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 02:09 am (UTC)(link)it was easy to agree with you in 2012 but since then i've learned that, contrary to popular belief, not all bootstrappers are actually phase
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 04:05 am (UTC)(link)it's an insight into the general decay of personal responsibility that so many people nowadays do. i'm ashamed to think i once did, knowing even then there were people around me who were just as bad or even worse off who (horrors!) just... well, pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, just like that other anon in this thread. and they did it without relying on assistance (which isn't bad by itself, but it shouldn't be option a) or blaming the system, which are both frankly more than i was capable of doing.
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 04:22 am (UTC)(link)and "stop talking openly about innocuous things that are one of the cornerstones of human social interaction" is not actually just asking for a "small basic courtesy"
well done with derailing the thread though. people sure took this bait
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 04:31 am (UTC)(link)the social elements of eating are a cornerstone of human interaction. anthropologists have a word for this: commensality
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(Anonymous) 2017-09-08 04:47 am (UTC)(link)i'm gonna go on wg hiatus again my head hurts