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i also skipped over some of the mainstay big series like animorphs and stuff too, and completely missed stuff like maximum ride or the hunger games or anything else coming out around that time. it happens, you just completely miss things especially back when socmed wasn't the way it is now so you didn't necessarily brush up against or have exposure to canons you didn't know about in casual conversation unless you were specifically looking for it. icr how i learned about maximum ride, i just remember vaguely being like 'huh this sounds like the kind of thing i would have liked reading if it came out when i was a kid- wait some of them did come out when i was a kid? tf, never saw it. oh well'

like somehow i completely skipped over anything redwall related or watership down despite the early trend you can see above, lmao. and warrior cats. completely missed that series.

I feel like if I answer that it's going to date me

I won't fall into your trap!

i think there's definitely a cultural angle here. i'm not american, and our reading choices for ages 10-16 were adventure books and classics (with a grueling amount of russian novels and french poetry). the only "horror" we got were mary shelley, dracula and folklore, while fantasy was stuff like jules verne. scifi were asimov, wells and dune. fantasy and scifi were largely movies for us. tbh this is why it was huge when harry potter came out for us because it was a first and rare instance of fantasy books being mainstream and the global launches gave this sense of community. we didn't start consistently getting YA books til long after twilight got really huge.

i would disagree with wheel of time being a ya series. just because it isn't wall to wall rape doesn't make it targeted toward children, even older children. people need to stop smearing the ya label everywhere.

i'm sure the marion zimmer bradley founder effect had nothing to do with it at all

that wikipedia entry is really burying the lede on the underage content. it's not teenagers, his novels have sex scenes with five year olds and ten year olds.

that is so disgusting. thanks for the heads up.

🤔 it was assigned reading in my school. yes i was in the gifted (nerd) classes but it's like classic ya before ya was a label

by that dumbass logic faulkner is ya.

The fact you haven't come back to tell us at least the name of this so called clone makes me think it a) doesn't exist or b) is just Triska doing a group PSL with the setting and not an actual game.

assuming they did mean rurouni kenshin, "this never happens with rk" my ass

you dont see it happening because they either rightfully dropped their rk characters like hot potatoes or they got judged out of playing them

criticizing your canon, cool

"the creator is a moron who messed up my special blorbos and only i have the magic touch to fix them, none of you poseurs who actually LIKE this series, get away from me" huge red flag for overinvestment, shit ic/ooc boundaries, and awful characterization

why does it being assigned reading make it ya

to kill a mockingbird was assigned reading at my school, is that ya too?

if you were in gifted classes in high school you certainly shouldn't have been reading ya. in fact i deeply question an english teacher devoting class time/energy to a bunch of doorstopper fantasy.

there's plenty of problems with the "classic" western literary canon but bringing in crappier books also written by privileged white men doesn't address any of those problems.

also, ya as a category was developed in the 1940s so i don't know what the hell you think you're talking about with this 'ya before ya' nonsense.

now if you tell me this was a gifted class for 6 year olds i will concede that they'd be appropriate gifted reader fodder.

that's a really reductive view of an entire genre, don't you think? there are incredible ya books out there, it's not all "girl in a dystopia can't choose between two boys" slop (and even some of those can be amazing). would you not want a class to discuss, say, The Hate U Give? all literary genres have merit, even picture books. saying that teachers should write off a whole genre is actually a pretty stupid viewpoint when it comes to the idea of studying literature.

lmao dang you got some opinions

it might make it appropriate for children, which was my actual point

i get it because i was also a joyless tween who thought i was Just Too Smart for ya during the big ya boom and i retained some of those tendencies into my later teens and even a couple years of my early 20s

whether or not wheel of time is ya, i grew up and broadened my horizons and it sounds like ayrt should too

1. answer the question, would you consider to kill a mockingbird or faulkner ya just because theyre assigned reading in schools

2. yeah good point, young adult books are famously written for children and nobody else. certainly theres not some sort of eponymous clue that gives this away

1. no
2. sure you win

it was also 5th grade in the 90s so i don't think it's that deep really

young adult shouldn't even be described as a genre, it's just a classification

booktok and lazy reviewers have turned it into a genre which apparently means it's twilight-esque fantasy or magic realism and romance. but for decades it just means the book is generally of an appropriate reading level for young adults no matter what the content

if they were in gifted classes in high school they were a young adult, anon.

also young adult doesn't automatically = doorstopper fantasy. you need to get off tiktok and back into the real world.

i get that we're old and we have to blame everything we dont like on tiktok but i am sorry to inform you that people were doing this well before booktok

"young adult" has been a book slur for "written for teen girls" since basically the hunger games

okay then substitute the word "booktok" for "youtube" or whatever makes you feel better, it doesn't dispute my point.

20 years ago getting a young adult book just meant your librarian thought it was appropriate for your age group. lord of the flies is young adult.

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