250: this is the death wankgate has always deserved

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Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't Hadriel the game where some characters wanted to make a boat and cut down every single tree in the setting to do it?

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

yup

https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/54603.html?thread=210338379#cmt210338379 <- deets

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

yeah. mods basically forced the characters into that action, tho. it led to characters (and the players) arguing about it nonstop for several months over who cut down the trees.

everyone sucked but the mods probably should've come up with a better compromise that wouldn't paint targets on the backs of a certain group that turned into a drawn out conflict between characters and players, but they probably didn't anticipate people would be so catty about it.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

the mods didn't force the characters into it. the players decided that there were obviously tons of resources to build a fleet of ships in a specifically resource-limited setting, and didn't bother checking in with the mods until they unveiled their creations.

mods had the choice of a retcon or ic consequences to ic actions, and went with the latter.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

everytime i hear about this story about ica=icc i think it's one of the funniest and most harmless wanks, but obviously the people involved are still taking it very seriously lmao

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

+1

i was a bystander when it was going down and it honestly seemed like the fairest and best decision the mods could have made. instead of asking people to effectively forget a bunch of plotting, they turned it into an opportunity for player plotting around replanting trees and finding alternate food sources to make up for the wrecked orchard.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

that would have been the mature and reasonable way of plotting around it.

sadly a handful of players didn't know how to be mature and reasonable, and just kept dragging the drama out to the point where it stopped being funny and just got kind of sad and awkward to watch.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

it led to characters (and the players) arguing about it nonstop for several months over who cut down the trees.

i'm sorry you and your friends had a bad time but as an outside observer this is really funny to me

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

every time someone tries to put the mods in a bad light regarding this, it just comes off as people being upset the mods did the best they could when their players did something cartoonishly stupid

like, no description of the situation, even when coming from the side of the players, has ever not made the players seem really dumb

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

oh i know, that's why i also say the mods probably didn't expect the players to react the way they did. i know i didn't expect people to still be screaming about trees for several months. things got real weird.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

mods did the right thing. give players an inch in a resource-limited setting, and before you know it they'll be building a WcDonald's and a movie theater

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

it was definitely stupid. i can't remember how obvious it was that the setting was that lacking in resources, since i recall the descriptions being very barebones. one of those situations that could have been easily avoided by reaching out to the mods for clarification, but we know that didn't happen.

i didn't mean to make it sound like i was putting all the blame on the mods. i recall much of hadriel's players being really unpleasant to deal with, so they have my sympathies.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

da so why are you trying to spin this as an "everybody sucks" situation lol

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

because i think taking control from players by telling them where their characters got the trees from didn't really fix the issue. the players just doubled-down saying their characters wouldn't touch the orchard, and at that point it probably would've been better to retcon the whole thing or work out a different solution. it's been years so there's no point in arguing over what they should have done, tho.

everyone did suck, but the mods were mostly just naive in assuming everyone would have rolled with it in a mature manner, instead of dealing with batshit players.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

i wonder if this was what op was going on about. i never played here but a lot of players were pissed over it, right? depending on how the fallout happened, the "horrific bullying" could be just actual consequences (players being rightfully upset at the time, characters not trusting the idiots who built the damn boats), or players dragging it out long after it had been settled

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

you know, I wouldn't be surprised.

especially considering they namedropped alex, who played one of the characters calling out the woodchucks for their woodchucking

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

da- as soon as I saw the comment my FIRST THOUGHT was "I bet this is one of the treegate II people still mad they got consaquences"

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

gasp


treegate II

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

they had to put the poor violated trees out of their misery, ok? it was euthanasia, really

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

a part of me ngl is tickled tree law is as srs in rp as it is irl

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

.... wait are you telling me that if someone rubs their ass on a tree it has to be cut down. is that a real thing.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

we just need one more tree incident so i can call it tHreegate.

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

those trees got fucked in a different way

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

tree snuff

Re: WORST GAME EXPERIENCES

[(Anonymous)]

man reading about hadriel wank again reminded me of the time some players wanted to plot some sex magic orgy in the middle of a public location where new characters arrive. can't remember who it was, but i think the mods had to shut that down, too. i don't envy them for the shit they had to put up with sometimes. i always felt like they were a little too lax with their app standards.