251: back in my day wank meant something

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Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

depends. is she playing an oc? so many wols veer so far from canon that they might as well be non-fandom ocs anyway.

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

i was checking out a new game's tdm and one of the threads was a wol and npc doing some ship drama stuff despite not being crau. like 'npc and wol were a ship back home and they'll continue shipping when in the game setting' stuff.

certain wol players seem to use the character just to ship with their favorite npcs even if their castmates aren't interested in their ship, like how that tdm had everyone else in the cast tagging each other instead of the wol and particular npc. at that point why not just psl...

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

please be reasonable, how are they supposed to save the entire game and solve everyone's problems in a psl?

real talk though, wol/npc shipping in a tdm, as in the presumption that the two were already in a relationship, would be grounds for me as a mod (if I were a mod who played with fire and allowed malleable protagonists) to reject. it's literally not canon, and not in a vague 'well nobody knows, it could be' way.

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

lol rejecting apps because you don't like their ships is psycho twitter ship wars behavior. wols are annoying but riiiight behind them on the annoying scale are wol haters.

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

it's not because they're wols, i'd reject anyone hoping to start off in a game from a blatantly non-canon AU. would you let someone in if they decided their character was a vampire for no reason?

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

Two players accepting each other's headcanon and rolling with it is not an AU. Shipping characters that are never in a relationship in canon is what we do here. Why is this any different?

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

if it makes sense from a canon standpoint, it's different. if it doesn't, it's an established relationship AU, not a headcanon. again: would you let someone in if they just decided their character was a vampire because canon never said they weren't?

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

da

if there's a plausible canon reason why their character would be a vampire, like say they're playing the malleable protagonist from baldur's gate and they romanced astarion (this even happens in some endings), then yes, i would let them in. i might personally think that's stupid, and i might hate those endings, but it's very possible in canon and i have no good faith reason to deny it.

ships are easily plausible in most canons. if both players are into it, that's fine, and you'd only be rejecting them because you're weird. a potential problem is if one half of the ship drops, then you get a new player and the existing one pressures them about shipping. it's not 2008 and we're not on livejournal and the chances of that happening are low but if it happens you can vent your weird anti rage then.

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

me: "if it doesn't make sense in canon it's an AU"
you: "but what if it makes sense in canon"

then it's not a problem, mary. it's starting to feel like you're personally offended by this, so i'll just remind you that mods don't have to accept your crau or whatever just because you feel entitled to access to every game you see

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

?? lots of people play non-canon ships on tdms, this is such a weird and biased take

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

there's a difference between "non-canon but plausible" and "non-canon, definitely has not happened."

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

i sincerely hope you're not a mod and never become one

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

if both players are on board with it then what's the problem? how is it any different from two players who come in with canon characters and decide to play the the characters as already being together even though canon neither confirms nor denies this?

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

for a non-ff14 example, take levi and and erwin from attack on titan, a ship so popular that a lot of people take it as soft canon. you could argue that canon doesn't necessarily deny it, and i'd agree. if they're both on a tdm and doing a thread that seems to imply they'll ship in the game, that's not ignoring canon to do their own thing: it's potentially following a development that makes sense. if they're cuddling in front of the fire planning out how many kids they'll have and what kind of engagement ring levi wants for their five-year dating anniversary uwu, it's an easy rejection. it's not the shipping that's the problem; it's whether the players are playing their characters believably or continuing their own personal fanfic in a game when they could just psl.

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt and yeah, that's exactly the sort of thing i mean. there wouldn't be anything contradicting canon for two players to come in with erwin and levi and treat them as though they're an existing ship as long as they played it in a way that would fit into canon because them being a ship could plausibly work within the confines of what we're shown in canon. saying "yeah these characters have been quietly dating for a while" doesn't necessarily go against canon as long as the characters are being played ic and the ship itself doesn't contradict anything in canon.

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

could use more punctuation cos what

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

anon is arguing that people playing characters as having an established relationship is by default an au. another anon countered with a example where the characters being in an established relationship fits easily into canon even if it isn't explicit canon. people agreed that it's not the ship that makes something an au as long as they're adhering to ic behavior and the ship doesn't directly contradict canon in any way.

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

not that it really matters, but i'm the anon who brought up the counterexample as well as the anon who said I'd reject the wol/npc established relationship; but yeah my point was that it's not always an AU situation and it depends on the characters and canon

but in the wol's case, an established relationship is an AU because it's a POV game that expressly follows your relationships and dynamics with the npcs. shipping is fine and not the issue, it's contradicting canon, as it would be for non-shipping stuff

that said though it wouldn't really matter either way, because if the vibe of two potential players is that they're playing out their ship for an audience as op made it sound like, the easiest thing to do would just be to not extend invites because we've all seen how that plays out a thousand times and nothing of value would be lost without it

da

[(Anonymous)]

genuine question, do people really do that? i’ve only ever experienced characters coming in with romantic feelings and going on to become official in the game, playing them as having had a secret relationship during canon itself is new to me

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

the whole thread started because someone's currently doing it on a tdm

i'm pretty sure i've never seen it happen in a game either, just like you said, they may come in intending to ship, but they go through the development of it

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

people do it all the time. it's only an issue in this context because ffxiv people haven't experienced fresh air or grass since 2013.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

what kind of shitty games have you been in

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

da but i'm gonna assume the big games that most dwrpers are or were in

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

from what i've seen i wouldn't say it's most dwrpers, at this point, but more like a large crew of mostly the same people that rolls from big game to big game

Re: GAME PET PEEVES

[(Anonymous)]

Seen Shiny do this by using the excuse that Megumi is polyamorous and tried to insert her into making threesomes out of popular M/M ships in her games like Emet/Hythlodaeus and Estinien/Aymeric. When it doesn't work, she tries to pivot Megumi into some eccentric shipper on deck for the yaois, it's so embarrassing.