I can understand why people find the relationship squicky. Especially if the younger character is one who has been abused in the past and is more vulnerable.
But my understanding is that the game is a horror game, and deals with adult issues and squick. And that such a relationship between those characters is not OOC, though it might be distasteful or disturbing to others. If it's sufficiently warned for and behind a cut so that those who want to avoid being disturbed can opt out of looking at it, I don't understand what the problem is.
And it wasn't warned for initially. And now one of the muns has thrown a tantrum and said that they're going to 'quit RPing' because people found their ship uncomfortable.
ok but the biggest problem aside from it being squicky and fetishistic is the fact that it's not in-character at all
the most important point being that isaac has been physically abused by older men in his life so it makes no sense for him to seek one out, not to mention him seemingly being attracted to allison, a teenage girl in canon
1) bisexuality exists, don't make us have this same fucking argument here again wankgate
2) are fucking serious???? daddy issues and especially issues of abuse are like a one-way ticket to seeking male approval and male attention through any means necessary including sexual attention jesus christ it is the oldest tale in the book
Isaac isn't shown to have an sexual interest in men who happen to be in their mid-30s. In fact the two people he has explicitly stated an interest in were both female. Allison, who he is getting together with in canon, and Jennifer, who he mentioned was hot.
One could go so far as to argue that being abused by his father and then facing a few abusive episodes from Derek, would put him off older men and push him more towards people his own age.
And there's the obvious point that this whole thing is because Sae didn't get in with Dean so she wants to guard against Cas getting with anyone else.
someone liking girls in canon does not automatically exclude them from liking boys, why are people still making this argument as if it is the be all and end all?
one could also go so far as to argue that being abused by his father would make him try to seek out positive and affectionate relationships with older men in order to fill that gap. both arguments are equally plausible. your different interpretation is not automatically the correct one just because you want it to be.
i give no fucks about sae or whoever the fuck is playing castiel or their reasons for doing this. but i think it is stupid that the initial reaction to the relationship was a huge pearlclutch because OH NOES, HOMOSEXUAL SEX WITH AN AGE DIFFERENCE AND POTENTIALLY ABUSIVE SITUATION IN A HORROR GAME??? CANNIBALISM AND TORTURE ARE SURELY LESS DISTURBING THAN THIS.
if you don't like the ship then you're entitled to your distaste, but if you aren't in the cast and you aren't part of the ship, and the people involved don't give a fuck, then scroll motherfucker, scroll.
You are incredibly invested in something that you're apparently not a part of yourself.
People are just as entitled to voice their distaste and ask for some clarification for progress up until this point. Which neither mun really seemed capable of doing, they couldn't even agree on the same basic outline for where the relationship was going to progress.
Bottom line is. Someone pulled both muns up about it, even a mod questioned it, and one of the muns clearly doesn't know how to deal with someone questioning the background behind their actions.
there are probably players around who are survivors of potentially abusive age difference sex but i doubt there are any survivors of cannibalism and torture in dwrp
Daddy issues =/= seeking out sexual attention from older men. Attention, sure. It becoming sexual is a rarity in boys who are primarily straight (as we've seen in canon; there's nothing to suggest him being attracted to older men.)
Sounds like you're either the Isaac or Castiel's mun and you're reaching to the extent that it's blinding you from how psychology realistically works in order to play out your "fucked up" nonsensical pairing.
you, of course, are an expert psychologist who has done many case studies on this topic i am sure-
oh wait, no. you're just some shitty asspained person on the internet.
you are using the same old tired arguments that wankgate has battled out many many times before. stop beating the dead horse. just because a character is attracted to a girl doesn't somehow disqualify them from being bisexual unless canon outright states their sexuality (and even then, closet cases exist). no amount of bitter bitter bitching on your end is going to stop people from playing "straight" characters as gay or bisexual.
i don't know who the fuck dandy is and i am not sae and YOU are pretty much just someone incredibly butthurt over the fact that your whining isn't getting your ass patted
fix your scroll button you titty baby and move on with your life
As a driveby anon who has played out far more questionable things than that in games, I find this amount of pearl-clutching to be hilariously over-the-top.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 12:58 am (UTC)(link)But my understanding is that the game is a horror game, and deals with adult issues and squick. And that such a relationship between those characters is not OOC, though it might be distasteful or disturbing to others. If it's sufficiently warned for and behind a cut so that those who want to avoid being disturbed can opt out of looking at it, I don't understand what the problem is.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 01:58 am (UTC)(link)which has been mentioned and explained several times throughout all of this
depressed hippie-slut apocalypse Cas is not the same character has sexless angel Cas
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 03:40 am (UTC)(link)there's nothing in canon that suggestions that
he goes for adult women
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 03:48 am (UTC)(link)doesn't make it the only one possible
canon suggests that cas at this point in canon is severely apathetic and fucking indiscriminately because who cares world ending
there's enough room in there to make the ship not so far fetched. you might not agree with the interpretation but that doesn't make it OOC.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 01:59 am (UTC)(link)because one of those things deserves a warning and one of those does not
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 01:59 am (UTC)(link)the most important point being that isaac has been physically abused by older men in his life so it makes no sense for him to seek one out, not to mention him seemingly being attracted to allison, a teenage girl in canon
so there's that
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:03 am (UTC)(link)2) are fucking serious???? daddy issues and especially issues of abuse are like a one-way ticket to seeking male approval and male attention through any means necessary including sexual attention jesus christ it is the oldest tale in the book
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:04 am (UTC)(link)go explain yourself to dandy on the hmd already
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:07 am (UTC)(link)guess you don't have any more objections to pull from your ass, huh
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:23 am (UTC)(link)Isaac isn't shown to have an sexual interest in men who happen to be in their mid-30s.
In fact the two people he has explicitly stated an interest in were both female. Allison, who he is getting together with in canon, and Jennifer, who he mentioned was hot.
One could go so far as to argue that being abused by his father and then facing a few abusive episodes from Derek, would put him off older men and push him more towards people his own age.
And there's the obvious point that this whole thing is because Sae didn't get in with Dean so she wants to guard against Cas getting with anyone else.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:36 am (UTC)(link)one could also go so far as to argue that being abused by his father would make him try to seek out positive and affectionate relationships with older men in order to fill that gap. both arguments are equally plausible. your different interpretation is not automatically the correct one just because you want it to be.
i give no fucks about sae or whoever the fuck is playing castiel or their reasons for doing this. but i think it is stupid that the initial reaction to the relationship was a huge pearlclutch because OH NOES, HOMOSEXUAL SEX WITH AN AGE DIFFERENCE AND POTENTIALLY ABUSIVE SITUATION IN A HORROR GAME??? CANNIBALISM AND TORTURE ARE SURELY LESS DISTURBING THAN THIS.
if you don't like the ship then you're entitled to your distaste, but if you aren't in the cast and you aren't part of the ship, and the people involved don't give a fuck, then scroll motherfucker, scroll.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:44 am (UTC)(link)THEY KISSED
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:45 am (UTC)(link)People are just as entitled to voice their distaste and ask for some clarification for progress up until this point. Which neither mun really seemed capable of doing, they couldn't even agree on the same basic outline for where the relationship was going to progress.
Bottom line is. Someone pulled both muns up about it, even a mod questioned it, and one of the muns clearly doesn't know how to deal with someone questioning the background behind their actions.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:09 am (UTC)(link)Daddy issues =/= seeking out sexual attention from older men. Attention, sure. It becoming sexual is a rarity in boys who are primarily straight (as we've seen in canon; there's nothing to suggest him being attracted to older men.)
Sounds like you're either the Isaac or Castiel's mun and you're reaching to the extent that it's blinding you from how psychology realistically works in order to play out your "fucked up" nonsensical pairing.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 02:26 am (UTC)(link)oh wait, no. you're just some shitty asspained person on the internet.
you are using the same old tired arguments that wankgate has battled out many many times before. stop beating the dead horse. just because a character is attracted to a girl doesn't somehow disqualify them from being bisexual unless canon outright states their sexuality (and even then, closet cases exist). no amount of bitter bitter bitching on your end is going to stop people from playing "straight" characters as gay or bisexual.
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 03:18 am (UTC)(link)go respond to dandy on the hmd sae
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 03:22 am (UTC)(link)you are so pathetic it's amazing
i don't know who the fuck dandy is and i am not sae and YOU are pretty much just someone incredibly butthurt over the fact that your whining isn't getting your ass patted
fix your scroll button you titty baby and move on with your life
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 04:57 am (UTC)(link)sure, im same-anoning. whatever makes your asspain feel better broski
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 03:17 am (UTC)(link)or a friend of sae
inb4 you say LOL U HAVE NO ARGUMENTS LEFT HUH it's obvious you're not going to listen to reason you crazy bitch
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