eh, dehumanizing monsters is pretty common practice
kevin may not be hitler or bin laden but for this community's standards he's pretty awful. and hey, if he doesn't like it he can always just do himself and us all a favor and leave
trust me, if ken came back one day and said he was suddenly, i dunno barbie or whatever, no one would call him that. no one would call him a her any more than anyone's going to call kevin a her
saying we 'respect his pronouns' is really misleading, it implies he's changed them when as far as we know he hasn't
and kevin's been way, WAY more that just 'vaguely creepy and pushy about f/f'
minimizing his actions isn't helping your case any more than the tumblrinas shrieking about respecting his honor was
just tell him to leave. seriously. there is nothing left for him here
> why is kevin's gender less respectable than ken's
you're being disingenuous again. kevin's gender is not any more or less respectable than ken's, if ken tries pulling this transruse shit we'd be calling him out on it too. this isn't a point and you need to stop acting like it is
> what has kevin done that at all qualifies him to be labeled a monster
committed the cardinal sin of memes: not fucking off when being asked to. this, more than anything, is what has earned him the hatedom he has today. being a bad writer can be forgiven. being a neckbeard can be forgiven. being creepy can be forgiven. being whiny can be forgiven. being obtuse can be forgiven.
but needling people for play in the most manipulative ways possible, when they have politely asked you to leave them alone? that crosses a line. that's the territory of that master, selwyn-chan, that antman, and yes, kevin. that is a rank shit-tier. not s rank, which only the very worst get to, but pretty damn close. a rank wankers may not receive universal scorn and disgust, but they are still irredeemable as members of this community and need to leave.
a few a-rankers, like that kronk and (i think) that antman), realize(d) their shittiness eventually and got the hint. otherwise, like kevin, are so morally bankrupt they will resort to literally any means to get what they want out of this community. and in kevin's case, his strategy has been to pretend to be trans. as strategies go, it's about as scummy as you can get, but there's a certain low cunning to it
i don't agree with calling kevin an it, but i do agree that the whole 'look, i'm a lesbian now and a girl see? i'm wearing a wig' thing smacks way too much of an excuse and bullshit to me. i just don't believe it. i've talked to him before and he never came off as self questioning and was always comfortable as a male and talked occasionally about humping things. he seems more than happy to have a penis and it's kind of coincidental that the whole 'look mom, no penis' came out after he'd made the connection that he wouldn't get so much shit if he was a girl. in tandem with that is the fact that there's only a singular picture out there in the universe of his 'transition', and i think if it was an actual thing, there'd just be more proof around. and that proof would happily be flung in 'the faces of all you non believers' by his TRUE FRIENDS~ to get everyone to shut up.
but there's no more pictures because it was a one off and there's no pastebins of him dealing with transitioning as a woman because there are none. he just changed his gender on plurk, changed his name, and expected everyone to bend over backwards falling for it.
I've known way too many people that have genuinely gone through varying degrees of transition to believe this piece of shit. I'm not insulting the pain and frustration and hurt of people that actually go through this by believing someone who's trying to use transgenderism as a fucking excuse to get away with being a pushy creeper.
totally in agreement with you re: kevin's transruse, but his da actually has several entries talking about his 'transdom' and referring to himself as a her. now, it's obvious to you and me that (a) kevin can and has been making up bullshit and letting his da/plurk circlejerk eat it up, and (b) his reasons for going for this whole transruse thing are pathetically transparent, but i just wanted to bring up that bit of nonevidence now before one of his whiteknights inevitably does
none of that makes him a literal monster nor does it make it ok to dehumanize him tho
what i'm saying is, no one brought up ken's transness to wank on how terrible he was, why do we have to make kevin's a thing or mire ourselves with shitty transphobic rhetoric like WELL LETS JUST CALL THEM AN IT, THAT'S EXCUSABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE A MONSTER
no one brings up 'ken's transness' because ken has never claimed transness if he did, he would get piled on and eviscerated just like we're eviscerating kevin now
this is not an argument. you need to stop presenting it as though it is one
because kevin's excuse after being told repeatedly by the same people and by hundreds of the same people what was wrong and what made them comfortable was to suddenly become a girl because 'that made it all right'. he as much said that he wouldn't get in as much shit for liking what he likes or playing how he plays if he were a women.
cue sudden 'oh, btw, i'm a lesbian'.
that is not how it works. he is literally using the excuse (and that's all it is, it's not a reality) of being trans to hide behind so that he can continue to play and fetishize lesbians and to push those ships onto other people. he's using it to get closer to women who are uncomfortable playing with men when he is in fact still a man himself and this is all a really shitty and elaborate ruse.
my disbelief in it doesn't negate trans rights or shit on the trials that trans people go through. i am fully aware of what actual trans people go through. i just refuse to believe that he's one and i'm 100% certain this is bullshit.
no one brought up ken's transness because he didn't come out in the same post he admitted he was a rapist. ken came out long before any kind of wank came down on him. he also wasn't in a position where being a man or a woman would have any impact on what social circles he would have access to, in relation to what he did. sex/gender has no bearing on someone saying "i don't want to rp with a rapist."
kevin on the other hand decided to conveniently come out as trans just as soon as women started excluding him for being a creepy lesbian fetishist. plenty of women don't want to play with men, for good reasons or for bad. doesn't matter, it's still their choice. so when someone says "i don't want to play with a man"... how convenient, kevin is now calling himself a woman, so that doesn't apply to him, despite the fact that nothing about him actually changed. he's still a creepy fuck but he gets to slip in through a loophole.
to everyone wailing about how this is fetishizing trans people, i think you need to step back and ask yourself if kevin is really the kind of person you want to project onto, and if this is really the kind of precedent you want to set for the online community. it's already creepy and gross when a man labels himself a woman on his profile, slapping the trans label on it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card.
since when? the pronouns just weren't ever an issue with ken. when he tries to go "i'm not a rapist because look! i'm a girl now, too!" we'll worry about it.
actually, he tried to imply he wasn't a rapist because he WAS a girl at the time. he is the pronouns that are being respected, ken was female at birth. nobody started calling him a girl when he said his gender confusion was part of why he did it.
so still tried to use his ftm trans status to excuse what he did. And what he did was to actually rape a person. like both are assholes, and one may be faking transness (as oppose to just using it as an excuse), so rake k-whoever through the mud, but please don't treat the two crimes the same.
oops shit that's my bad. i might've gotten ken and kevin mixed up thinking that this was the same rapist asshole. i take back my "it" comment but that doesn't mean i'm going to respect his pronouns.
flatviewer here— "kevin" and "ken" trip me up, too. especially if i'm speed reading to catch up. they both start with "ke" and a lot of the time i have to make sure i proof read simply because i can get the two names mixed up, or that it's just another handle for the same person. not saying this is the ayrt's deal, but i'm fairly certain i'm not the only one this happens with. at least from time to time.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)kevin may not be hitler or bin laden but for this community's standards he's pretty awful. and hey, if he doesn't like it he can always just do himself and us all a favor and leave
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)ken literally raped his underage sister but we still respect his pronouns
all kay's done is been vaguely creepy and pushy about f/f
that doesn't make them a monster, it makes them a creeper.
jesus christ
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)saying we 'respect his pronouns' is really misleading, it implies he's changed them when as far as we know he hasn't
and kevin's been way, WAY more that just 'vaguely creepy and pushy about f/f'
minimizing his actions isn't helping your case any more than the tumblrinas shrieking about respecting his honor was
just tell him to leave. seriously. there is nothing left for him here
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)what has kevin done that at all qualifies him to be labeled a monster
why is kevin's gender less respectable than ken's? is it literally just the fact that ken realized he was trans before the DWRP scene?
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)you're being disingenuous again. kevin's gender is not any more or less respectable than ken's, if ken tries pulling this transruse shit we'd be calling him out on it too. this isn't a point and you need to stop acting like it is
> what has kevin done that at all qualifies him to be labeled a monster
committed the cardinal sin of memes: not fucking off when being asked to. this, more than anything, is what has earned him the hatedom he has today. being a bad writer can be forgiven. being a neckbeard can be forgiven. being creepy can be forgiven. being whiny can be forgiven. being obtuse can be forgiven.
but needling people for play in the most manipulative ways possible, when they have politely asked you to leave them alone? that crosses a line. that's the territory of that master, selwyn-chan, that antman, and yes, kevin. that is a rank shit-tier. not s rank, which only the very worst get to, but pretty damn close. a rank wankers may not receive universal scorn and disgust, but they are still irredeemable as members of this community and need to leave.
a few a-rankers, like that kronk and (i think) that antman), realize(d) their shittiness eventually and got the hint. otherwise, like kevin, are so morally bankrupt they will resort to literally any means to get what they want out of this community. and in kevin's case, his strategy has been to pretend to be trans. as strategies go, it's about as scummy as you can get, but there's a certain low cunning to it
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)it makes him shitty, gross, manipulative, and creepy, but it doesn't make him a monster.
it sure as shit doesn't qualify for "MAYBE NOT AS BAD AS HITLER, HEH, BUT ONE OF THE WORST OF THE COMMUNITY..."
especially not when we've had literal fucking rapists ousted
you hyperbolic, kneejerking, baby
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)but there's no more pictures because it was a one off and there's no pastebins of him dealing with transitioning as a woman because there are none. he just changed his gender on plurk, changed his name, and expected everyone to bend over backwards falling for it.
fuck you, no.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)still doesn't make him trans. sorry, whiteknights.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)what i'm saying is, no one brought up ken's transness to wank on how terrible he was, why do we have to make kevin's a thing or mire ourselves with shitty transphobic rhetoric like WELL LETS JUST CALL THEM AN IT, THAT'S EXCUSABLE BECAUSE THEY'RE A MONSTER
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no one brings up 'ken's transness' because ken has never claimed transness if he did, he would get piled on and eviscerated just like we're eviscerating kevin now
this is not an argument. you need to stop presenting it as though it is one
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)cue sudden 'oh, btw, i'm a lesbian'.
that is not how it works. he is literally using the excuse (and that's all it is, it's not a reality) of being trans to hide behind so that he can continue to play and fetishize lesbians and to push those ships onto other people. he's using it to get closer to women who are uncomfortable playing with men when he is in fact still a man himself and this is all a really shitty and elaborate ruse.
my disbelief in it doesn't negate trans rights or shit on the trials that trans people go through. i am fully aware of what actual trans people go through. i just refuse to believe that he's one and i'm 100% certain this is bullshit.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-30 02:27 am (UTC)(link)kevin on the other hand decided to conveniently come out as trans just as soon as women started excluding him for being a creepy lesbian fetishist. plenty of women don't want to play with men, for good reasons or for bad. doesn't matter, it's still their choice. so when someone says "i don't want to play with a man"... how convenient, kevin is now calling himself a woman, so that doesn't apply to him, despite the fact that nothing about him actually changed. he's still a creepy fuck but he gets to slip in through a loophole.
to everyone wailing about how this is fetishizing trans people, i think you need to step back and ask yourself if kevin is really the kind of person you want to project onto, and if this is really the kind of precedent you want to set for the online community. it's already creepy and gross when a man labels himself a woman on his profile, slapping the trans label on it shouldn't be a get out of jail free card.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)since when? the pronouns just weren't ever an issue with ken. when he tries to go "i'm not a rapist because look! i'm a girl now, too!" we'll worry about it.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 05:07 am (UTC)(link)so still tried to use his ftm trans status to excuse what he did. And what he did was to actually rape a person. like both are assholes, and one may be faking transness (as oppose to just using it as an excuse), so rake k-whoever through the mud, but please don't treat the two crimes the same.
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(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 05:17 am (UTC)(link)it's not about respect.
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(Anonymous) 2015-04-01 03:08 am (UTC)(link)not a Literal Rapist but he's certainly not too far from the scumbag category either
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