because it sets a really bad precedent of people using trans as an escape for consequences. "these people don't like me because I'm a creepy boy with a dick and I write badly about vaginas and underage girls touching each other. How about if I pretend I'm a girl and gain their trust and then continue to creep on them?"
it's not the same batshit hyperbole of a guy wearing a dress to go into girl's bathrooms to rape them, but it's lying about yourself to gain someone's confidence and to skirt around their stated preferences and comfort zones. if someone isn't comfortable rping with men, slapping on a trans lesbian label just to get the smut he feels he deserves isn't something that people should just roll with and 'let slide'.
he's a fucking lying creep and he needs to be called out for it, not acknowledged as a trans so that his behavior is rewarded and defended under the trans label. it's not about trans women needing to be perfect tumblrinas. it's about trans women needing to actually BE trans women. and kevin is not.
my point was more suggestion that we adhere to the premise that being trans doesn't arbitrarily allow someone to escape consequences.
I was suggesting by refusing someone can identify as trans because they've been shitty, we are supporting the premise that being trans would somehow absolve them of shitty behaviour.
And by instead simply acknowledging like 'yeah, okay, sure if you say so- you are still a fucking creeper though' we actively acknowledge being trans doesn't magically invalidate the creepy behaviour and set the precedent that claiming trans when you aren't won't help getting around the consequences of shitty actions.
it might be what you were aiming for, but it's still basically excusing his behavior at a level that he shouldn't be allowed. 'sure we'll believe you're trans. you're still an asshole', is giving him the right to say he's a she to do the things that he should not be allowed to do. giving him free reign as a female to get into all the places he shouldn't be allowed to get into just because he slaps a label on himself for the express purpose of doing just that is less about not respecting his right to be trans and more about calling him out on his bullshit.
he is not trans. he is a fucking lying douchebag. i'm not 'rolling' with that.
You're missing the point. Why are we letting being trans be a get out of jail free card? Why are we connecting the two? Were making trans become a way to get out of things.
'we' are not. it's not about being let out of jail. it's about someone saying a fucking lie and people going along with it. whether he's saying he's a she or a bunself or an astronaut, i'm not going to believe the lie. he's lying about it to get special treatment. the people that come to wg, for the most part, don't believe it. but there are plenty of people that don't come to wg who do, or who haven't run into him yet and have 'no male rpers' on their list and he's going to just slither on in and insinuate himself into their rp lives under the guise of a fucking lie. that's a no-no. he can knowingly trigger someone who's had a bad run in with male rpers by pretending to be female. he's pulling a con. he's lying to gain their confidence and to get what he want. that he's doing it around smut-centric concepts makes him a sexual con artist, because he's doing this for his own gratification and he gives zero fucks about anyone he might hurt.
it's not that the two are connected, it's that he's hiding behind a lie and can use that lie to hurt others. and the stupid assholes that come in here and screech about how we need to 'respect her and her preferences' are only doing so because TRANS, and not because of anything else. why the fuck in all the holy hell should i respect anything of his when he can't even do anyone the courtesy of listening and respecting the boundaries of the people he creeps on? yes, a creep is still a creep, trans or not, but he is not trans. trans is just an outfit he puts on to get what he wants.
think of it this way. say jerry sandusky was released from prison tomorrow and started calling himself a 'children's services specialist'. say that he asked people to no longer refer to him as a coach, as he doesn't see his past job as coaching anymore, but instead 'developing children'. and he no longer wishes to be known as a coach. say he also changes his name, say from jerry to jessie, and requests that no one publish information linking 'jerry sandusky' to 'jessie sandusky'. do you think people would roll with that? fuck no.
it's not about what he wants to use the transruse for, it's that he's committing it in the first place. like with ol' jer, kevin's crimes are already long part of the public record; acknowledging him as trans is (a) acknowledging a lie, and (b) letting him weasel out of his history by being able to say 'oh, no, no, they're talking about kevin, i'm kay'. it's a yellow-bellied excuse for a ruse and it's not fooling anyone. giving it even the slightest scrap of credibility is giving it and him more than they deserve
okay but how is it excusing the behavior if it's still being called out, though? a piece of shit is still a piece of shit regardless of what label it has on it.
i wouldn't say it's so much excusing the behavior as it is willfully permitting a lie to be told as truth. if a lie gets repeated often enough it becomes the truth and all kevin needs is a couple of dedicated whiteknights willing to carry on the 'oh she's kay' story for him to set it in stone.
But, as long as their thread posts let people know they were kevin (which no one seems to be objecting to) it does not matter whether you call them kay or kevin. And calling them kay means the thread won't get derailed over and over (meaning people can easier be let known their douchiness), it means on the off chance we're wrong we look better, and most important it sends the message you can't hide that shit away just by pretending to be trans.
Like right now all the anons are giving kevin/kay exactly what they want. This thread, and the wank about them is becoming all about trans issues and the 100% confirmed no speculating shit they've done is getting buried. Plus, people are laying down some really gross, transphobic stuff that, if you don't know how gross this player is, makes them look better. (and please don't excuse that as defense I am NOT on their side, they are hands down the grosser party here.) i just hate that they're ggetting away with this an everyones playin right into it.
you may have a point in that all this debate about kevin's gender definitely serves his purposes in distracting from the real issues (namely, him being a creeper el grande, and, if the shit about his dead roommate is real, a legit sociopath). just the same, though, i don't think you're ever, ever going to convince everyone, or even a majority of people, to refer to kevin by the new handle and gender he's identifying as. while it's true that some anons get WAY too vehement about it, i do agree with the basic point that kevin shouldn't be referred to as kay because it sends a bad message. even if you say 'we can still call him a her and a creeper', it still gives a liar's lie legitimacy. every person who refers to him by kay, who refers to him as a her, and who treats his ruse as anything but what it is, they're the ones who are really playing right into his hands. there would be minimal thread derails and transwake if these people would just pull their heads out of tumblr's asshole and get a clue
just the way all this has gone down is enough to convince me that kevin not only isn't trans, but that he's not a tenth as stupid as he acts like. he was very shrewd in how he did this, as seen by how people are still arguing the legitimacy of his ruse 8 months after he tried it out. it didn't help him weasel out of ac at amat, which is what he really wanted, but he realized it could still be of use to him so he kept it up. and as a result his namedrops get continuously deleted and deluged with transwank because some tumblrinas just can't realize when they're being played
tl;dr - i think your basic idea is sound, but it's the kind of idea that looks good on paper and never flies in reality. there are just too many people who have been burned by kevin's "oh sorry i didn't mean to bother you ^_^_ (does it again)" routine to convince them that his ruse is worth even acknowledging for the basis of presenting a united front. the idea of legitimizing him is quite literally abhorrent to these people (as tbh it is to me) and nothing you say will convince them to tolerate a creeper's creeping.
![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
wankasaurusrex) wrote in ![[community profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/community.png)
wankgate2015-03-23 07:32 pm
Re: DRAGONWRITER8
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 05:30 am (UTC)(link)it's not the same batshit hyperbole of a guy wearing a dress to go into girl's bathrooms to rape them, but it's lying about yourself to gain someone's confidence and to skirt around their stated preferences and comfort zones. if someone isn't comfortable rping with men, slapping on a trans lesbian label just to get the smut he feels he deserves isn't something that people should just roll with and 'let slide'.
he's a fucking lying creep and he needs to be called out for it, not acknowledged as a trans so that his behavior is rewarded and defended under the trans label. it's not about trans women needing to be perfect tumblrinas. it's about trans women needing to actually BE trans women. and kevin is not.
Re: DRAGONWRITER8
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 05:38 am (UTC)(link)I was suggesting by refusing someone can identify as trans because they've been shitty, we are supporting the premise that being trans would somehow absolve them of shitty behaviour.
And by instead simply acknowledging like 'yeah, okay, sure if you say so- you are still a fucking creeper though' we actively acknowledge being trans doesn't magically invalidate the creepy behaviour and set the precedent that claiming trans when you aren't won't help getting around the consequences of shitty actions.
Or at least that's what I was trying to get at.
Re: DRAGONWRITER8
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)he is not trans. he is a fucking lying douchebag. i'm not 'rolling' with that.
Da
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 05:03 pm (UTC)(link)Re: Da
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)it's not that the two are connected, it's that he's hiding behind a lie and can use that lie to hurt others. and the stupid assholes that come in here and screech about how we need to 'respect her and her preferences' are only doing so because TRANS, and not because of anything else. why the fuck in all the holy hell should i respect anything of his when he can't even do anyone the courtesy of listening and respecting the boundaries of the people he creeps on? yes, a creep is still a creep, trans or not, but he is not trans. trans is just an outfit he puts on to get what he wants.
+1
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)it's not about what he wants to use the transruse for, it's that he's committing it in the first place. like with ol' jer, kevin's crimes are already long part of the public record; acknowledging him as trans is (a) acknowledging a lie, and (b) letting him weasel out of his history by being able to say 'oh, no, no, they're talking about kevin, i'm kay'. it's a yellow-bellied excuse for a ruse and it's not fooling anyone. giving it even the slightest scrap of credibility is giving it and him more than they deserve
da
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)dda
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)dda
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)Ddda?
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)Like right now all the anons are giving kevin/kay exactly what they want. This thread, and the wank about them is becoming all about trans issues and the
100% confirmed no speculating shit they've done is getting buried. Plus, people are laying down some really gross, transphobic stuff that, if you don't know how gross this player is, makes them look better. (and please don't excuse that as defense I am NOT on their side, they are hands down the grosser party here.) i just hate that they're ggetting away with this an everyones playin right into it.
Re: Ddda?
(Anonymous) 2015-03-28 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)just the way all this has gone down is enough to convince me that kevin not only isn't trans, but that he's not a tenth as stupid as he acts like. he was very shrewd in how he did this, as seen by how people are still arguing the legitimacy of his ruse 8 months after he tried it out. it didn't help him weasel out of ac at amat, which is what he really wanted, but he realized it could still be of use to him so he kept it up. and as a result his namedrops get continuously deleted and deluged with transwank because some tumblrinas just can't realize when they're being played
tl;dr - i think your basic idea is sound, but it's the kind of idea that looks good on paper and never flies in reality. there are just too many people who have been burned by kevin's "oh sorry i didn't mean to bother you ^_^_ (does it again)" routine to convince them that his ruse is worth even acknowledging for the basis of presenting a united front. the idea of legitimizing him is quite literally abhorrent to these people (as tbh it is to me) and nothing you say will convince them to tolerate a creeper's creeping.