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it's 2edgy on its face, though, by taking something that is meant to be surreal and whimsical and applying real life psychology and consequences to it. it's like making a pokemon game and setting it in a post-apocalyptic worl-oh wait, someone did that, and it's just as fucking stupid.

To be fair, the first Pokemon games has you dealing with the mafia who canonly abuses animals, there's massive hints that a war took place not too long ago, some dex entries are horrifying as hell, etc. Pokemon has some dark shit in it when you actually look into it.

not to mention some of the newer evil factions inadvertently or deliberately try to bring on the apocalypse themselves.

it

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this stuff may be in the game but saying it's "dark shit" is showing less how SERIOUS pokemon is and more how stunted you are that you can't see the forest for the trees. that shit's in there as background noise, or to give kids a reason to hate the villains, who are ridiculously bumbling morons half the time even if they have these grand schemes. Pokemon is not a "dark" canon and making it into one is Missing The Point. same as apping fucking Kirby to Ryslig.

they need to think things like pokemon and kirby are ~super grimdark~, anon. it's the only way they can justify being as invested into a children's game as they are.

same bullshit as the SU, MLP, etc. fandoms. they need to tell themselves their canon of choice is dark and edgy because it's the only way to justify being that into colorful children's media.

notto dis shitto again

Pokedex entries aren't there to make you hate the Pokemon, tho. Agree with you on Kirby, but. Have you read some of the dex entries on things?

Beautifly sucks out its prey's vital fluids. Same with Gorebyss.

Drifloon that children grab carry them off to the world of the dead.

Banette are possessed toys that seek revenge on those who threw them away.

Shit, these are just off the top of my head. Like yeah, it's background noise, but it's still some pretty dark stuff that's there for the adult crowd to enjoy and pick at.

you realize driftloon is based on an old children's tale in japan, right?

it's not there for the adult crowd. it was not made for you.

It still plays to Adult Fears (your child going missing because you weren't paying attention).

It's made for all audiences.

Or do you think, say, shows starring girls are only for girls and guys can't enjoy it, too?

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anon a question

have you actually played the games or read any of the manga spinoffs, or are you just basing everything over what know about the anime?

other than the idiocy that was electric tales of pikachu, and that was all nintendo's fault for getting a manga-ka that exclusively did porn prior to the project, there is no pokemon game, animation, manga, or any spin-off that is for adults.

having darker themes as background noise doesn't make those parts of the game FOR adults. it means those children are capable of enjoying something with those elements. none of that was made for adults. adults just happen to like it, and *that's okay*. but it doesn't change the fact that the primary audience of pokemon has, and always will be, children, and putting the spotlight on the "dark" elements is dumb because they were never what pokemon was about.

There are literally corpses moving around in PokeSpe. Like, actual rotting corpses. I sure as fuck wouldn't want my kids exposed to that.

uh

i never did say it was for adults

i was responding to this

that shit's in there as background noise, or to give kids a reason to hate the villains, who are ridiculously bumbling morons half the time even if they have these grand schemes. Pokemon is not a "dark" canon and making it into one is Missing The Point.

this is probably true of the anime which is definitely geared to elementary school kids and it's definitely a brightly colored children's cartoon

but the pokemon special manga was noticeable for being particularly dark for a children's comic, especially in the beginning where one pokemon was sliced in half by another and the reanimated rotting corpses of pokemon were running around in that same chapter.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/63099/2019547-kkk.gif
http://i.imgur.com/ZjQBBDp.jpg

it was probably because of this that the special manga wasn't localized for nearly 15 years in the US, because of scenes like this and others. there was another edit i can remember off the top of my head where the girl trainer was tied up but taunts sabrina for having bigger boobs than her, all to have her attack her and release her pokemon in her pokeballs that she'd stuffed in her top. obviously that didn't make it through in 1999.

http://i.imgur.com/XBfgk.jpg

but the manga isn't as dark as it originally was, although i wouldn't say that it's anywhere close or lighthearted as the anime. throughout the entire series, multiple adult enemies keep trying to kill the kid protagonists, characters have died (although some of them were brought back to life afterwards after the angst played out) and the ending of one arc had nearly every single hero in the arc suddenly turned into stone, which was far from a happy ending. noticeably in the bw arc, the gym leaders were beaten up and crucified, which is decidedly dark.

http://i.imgur.com/9MexCjI.jpg

i don't disagree with you that it's still targeted for children because the manga runs in a shounen magazine, but i disagree that because of that, there are no underlying dark themes that can be explored within the background or the setting. obviously it's not a post-apocalyptic wasteland like in fallout 4 and one of the reoccuring themes i've noticed over the years has been environmentalism and portraying a healthy way of humans and pokemon/animals living with each other without disturbing or destroying the latter's environment, which is definitely a message to children.

and bambi's mom was shot like

it doesn't mean it's not for kids

kids are capable of enjoying things with depth and it also being something for family, too

fantasia still gives me nightmares like idk just give it up you're embarrassing yourself

BUT WAR AND ANIMAL ABUSE!!

ok??? lmao and?? is that supposed to mean it's Dark like just fucking enjoy the game there's nothing wrong with enjoying something primarily aimed at kids and families. adults are capable of enjoying it too. it's people like you who make it awkward or embarrassing as an adult to enjoy this shit.

You look more embarrassing and ott than the person you're responding to tbh. Literally no one said it's not for kids. Just that it had some darker themes that could be played with if people wanted. You're handwringing over people enjoying a canon the way they want.

I'm not saying it's not for kids, you fuckstick without a brain. I'm saying there's absolutely shit in there that can be played with for darker themes that were put in there for adults since GameFreak isn't fucking stupid.

they weren't put there "for adults". they were put there for the intended, target audience. thinking it's there for you is part of the problem.

Even so, why can't it be played with? These are all themes that exist within the canon whether you want them to or not. The impending apocalypse is a recurring trope within pokemon canon, so what's the harm with playing with the idea of the apocalypse actually happening? Pokemon abuse has been a recurring theme within canon since the beginning (Ash's charmander, anyone?) so why can't adults play with those themes? It's not like these things are never brought up and people are reading too much into it.

GameFreak knows that the kids that played the first gen of pokemon are all grown up now and still playing, anyway, or there wouldn't be so many millenials in the Pokemon Go trailer. I doubt any of the developers would be shocked or dismayed by the premise of the pokemon rp.

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are there actually hints saying there was a war because i swore that was an internet conspiracy

Almost all of Lt. Surge's battle quotes reference a war...

"Hey, kid! What do you think you're doing here? You won't live long in combat! That's for sure! I tell you kid, electric Pokémon saved me during the war! They zapped my enemies into paralysis. The same as I'll do to you!"

From the original Red and Blue.

tbh it comes off as character-based flavor text in order to sell the dude's military gimmick, not meant to be taken seriously, but we wouldn't be having this thread if people didn't realize that's a thing that happens

Jesus, you won't take anything that isn't what you think it should be, will you

its the whole history/backstory in XY so

yes

i still can't believe they sent a fucking flower to war

what did they expect to happen?

No idea, but they were probably desperate.