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can someone more familiar with ambien tell me if this is a legit thing when you take it like milk claims it is? like it makes you act weird and not in a manner that you normally would and become emotionally unbalanced.

because if this happens as often as she she claims, she either needs to just go the fuck to sleep when she takes it instead of staying up up rambling on the internet while she throws pity parties and temper tantrums or talk to her doctor about getting on a sleep aid with less side effects that make her act completely irrational. ambien is supposed to be for short-term use only and she's been blaming these rant plurks on it for about a year.

i mean i'm 90% sure it's all just an excuse but i'd LOVE someone to go into one of her plurks and ask her why she's still on this medication if she acts like a fucking lunatic at least once a week when she's on it.

Ambien does seem to make certain people go off the chain and do weird and wacky things when they're on it, yes.

ambien shitposting collapses into nonsense fast. if you're taking your prescribed amount correctly, your drugged brain does not have the time to worry about anything important. if the dose isn't strong enough to send you to sleep immediately, milk could be left feeling tired and frustrated and not great at managing their emotional reactivity, but a weak dose doesn't magically put thoughts into your head about longstanding grudges and compel you to plurk about them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ambien

ambien is a short-term use sleep aid that, like all sleep medication, can get you extremely groggy and unable to focus if the dosage is too high for your system. yes, like all anti/depressants, it can lightly lower inhibition: it could be responsible for typos and the intensity of milk's emotions in a plurk, but typically not for the intent behind them.

from personal experience, with the understanding that everyone's medical situation is different: i suffer from chronic insomnia and need long-term treatment. because of the high risks of addiction and acclimation, my doctor put me on a treatment schedule that varies the type and dosage of several sleep aids. today you take half a pill of X, tomorrow a pill of Y, so on. it seems odd to me that milk would be exclusively using ambien long term, but who knows, maybe a peofessional prescribed them that. either way, they should not be acting like this under a sleep aid if their dosage is correct unless they are highly sensitive to it (case in which their doctor would be switching them off it). so idk, this feels like a stretch to think that milk is an experienced ambien user yet this stuff mysteriously happens.

fellow insomniac here. i've done some weird shit too while under but not like this (one time i poured water on a plate and only realized it wasn't a cup after). there's a reason why they say not to drive or operate heavy machinery while on it.

this? this isn't what sleep aids do to you. it doesn't make you do or say shit you wouldn't normally say. if anything it would make you say what you really mean. to me, this smacks of mat claiming he was drunk after his infamous 'MAYBE WE FUCKING SHOULD HAVE???? NUKED HITLER?????' rant.

yeah, i'm just highly skeptical that either milk or the professional they must be seeing to reissue their prescription would retain them on the same medication or on the current dosage, if they report back that they're suffering these kinds of side effects under ambien.

this is from the mayo clinic:

If you develop any unusual and strange thoughts or behavior while you are using zolpidem, be sure to discuss it with your doctor. Some changes that have occurred in people using this medicine are like those seen in people who drink alcohol and then act in a manner that is not normal. Other changes may be more unusual and extreme, such as confusion, worsening of depression, hallucinations (seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there), suicidal thoughts, and unusual excitement, nervousness, or irritability.

as you can see, it's largely about the drug potentially upping the intensity of an already present emotion. and if milk truly is experiencing these side effects, it's advised that they check in with their healthcare professional. i'm sorry, they're either irresponsible and not communicating with their psychiatrist, they have an incompetent medical adviser, or they're just making this shit up. in two out of three of these scenarios, the fault is milk's.

love when our armchair mds roll up with their degrees from Google College of Medicine

i get your point, only reason i'm citing mayo on this one is because i haven't been on ambien but on other long-use sleep aids. but it stands that it's bizarre to me as someone who is under treatment for chronic insomnia on another set of sleep aids that milk would be put on long term-use of a drug they are reporting having side effects with. that's just not how this works, your psychiatrist constantly checks in whether your medication is suitable because the risks are known.

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this is how prescription medication should be monitored, anon. I've been prescribed ambien on and off as needed since 08. if milk genuinely cannot predict if/when ambien is going to make them vent plurk, they're either ignoring the problem, their doctor is telling them to ignore the problem, or milk is using ambien as an excuse for their lapse in judgement.

actual armchair diagnoses would be me saying "I think milk is pretending that prescription drugs are the problem so they have an excuse to not work on improving the emotional overreactivity they experience because of internet rp."

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embarassing take

I assumed it was the not communicating part because lots of people stay awake on Ambien on purpose because they find it recreationally enjoyable for some reason.

and a too weak dose of a sleep aid can leave someone temperamental and out of it and sometimes feeling worse off than not taking pills at all. But it's more like a bad hangover: grumpiness, grinding pain behind the eyes, intense disdain for being conscious.

The manipulation on display in that plurk would likely be beyond someone hungover on an incorrect dose of sleeping pills, speaking as an insomniac.

every time someone uses ambien as an excuse for their bad behavior this is all i can think about

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/30/health/ambien-roseanne-barr-racist-tweets-bn/index.html

ambien doesn't make you a manipulative asshole

ambien doesn't make you a racist

it can make you do dumb shit but will not turn you into a different person with awful opinions you don't normally hold

+1 i've done some embarrassing things under the influence of ambien, but it was usually things i was mulling on maybe doing anyway - texting a friend to tell them how much i appreciated them, being a little overly sentimental or gushy etc.

basically just me but more incoherent and with a lot fewer inhibitions

if you turn into an asshole on ambien, it's not the ambien

yeah i've gotten texts like that from friends on ambien and it was still very clearly my friend, just acting a little bit loopier than normal and a bit more incoherent, like you said. it wasn't like they turned into some other person.

it was basically just them but like they were mildly tipsy.

i took ambien in a relatively high dosage prescribed to me for a doctor for chronic insomnia for many years. it made me pretty loopy but it reduced sleep anxiety enough so that i could sleep.

one side effect that i'm noticing that no one here has mentioned is memory loss. i'm not sure how common it is in general, but it wasn't uncommon for me to black out after taking it. i did say and do things that i genuinely had no memory of happening. it was fairly typical for me to see things that i'd apparently written when i was under and be very confused by them because it wasn't stuff i'd normally do.

so again, having long-term firsthand experience with the medication, i can easily see a situation where someone made a plurk they wouldn't normally make, wonder what the fuck that was about, and delete it when under ambien. different people have different sensitivities to these kinds of medications and can experience pretty wild side effects and that possibility is something that always needs to be taken into account.

memory loss is common. personally, i didn't mention it because it doesn't make a difference here imo. even though i had no memory of the things i did, they usually did make sense to me and were not wild departures from my regular self

ambien did not ever spontaneously morph me into an asshole

ok milk... still doesn't excuse you writing shitty things about the people who for some insane reason still want to be your friend. hopefully this changes their minds once and for all.

I experience memory loss when I take ambien, too, but imo that plurk was too coherent and too specifically manipulative to be blamed on sleep medication. Ambien makes you take a piss in your fridge. It doesn't make you post on social media about how your friends aren't making your RP experience their top priority.

fellow anon with chronic insomnia: i've suffered temporary or complete memory loss on some medication, but typically when the dosage was unsuitable (usually too high for me). i've found some element of that, drowsiness and that weird light loss of balance when you first get up to be inevitable on most deep sleep aids i've tried, fwiw. it sucks :/

but did the dosage make you write shitty things on social media about your friends?

can't say it ever did! mostly i agree with airt that everyone's medical reality is different, but a very rare and minor element of blackout, drowsiness and imbalance is inevitable on all the medication i've tried to date. if it becomes frequent or extensive, i've always been told to report it as a side effect, with a view to tweak my dosage or medication.

what's worrying in this situation is that, assuming they really did have a terrible experience on ambien, milk seems to be... undisturbed by it, based on the pastebin shared here? i just can't imagine a world where a medication presumably did a 180 on my personality in ways i couldn't rein in/remember, and the next day i'd be going, 'that ambien sure be ambiening!' i'd be mortified but also just rattled. i know people react differently to this stuff, but surely if your behavior while on medication has come to disturb other people, you'd... apologize and commit to bring it up with your doctor, idk.

for me the issue is they’ve been having issues like this on ambien for two years or more now. so even if it is an ambien thing letting it continue this long absolutely makes it a their responsibility thing. a one off freak out on a new medication or something is understandable but if it happens constantly and you do not seek to rectify the situation that is on you.

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When I took Ambien, I only had problems if I drank alcohol earlier in the night or something unnaturally kept me extra awake when I was trying to sleep after taking it. But I was never weird and dark and moody. Usually, I was just more uninhibited and goofy, and had hallucinations. I would get online and blearily and cheerfully chirp at my friends on plurk about the Hatman and other weird stuff I was seeing because I thought it was so novel and wanted to share. Then they'd yell at me to go to bed.

The few times it happened, my friends and I just laughed about it afterwards because I mostly just acted silly and they thought the way I described the hallucinations was funny.

I think the Ambien is probably just a cover, but even if Ambien was playing a part I think someone's personality often plays a part in how they react when impaired. If her response to becoming more uninhibited is to be petty and say the quiet parts out loud, I'll just say that's not a universal response to being in that state. I was never mean, I just had a burning desire to share with my friends how my desktop background was now moving and how cool it looked.