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Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

i play from bg3 and i don't want to ship with astarion. not only is he the one absolutely everywhere but most versions of him in dwrp are so poorly done that they're barely recognizable.

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

i don’t play from this canon but i support you

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

he's one of those characters people just shouldn't play if they hate negative cr, but people like that always try to play those characters anyway, so you wind up with a few ic ones and the rest are incapable of saying anything that another character might react badly to

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

my husband and i have each played the game multiple times through and wouldn't "recognize" each other's astarions. to hubby he's a racist but funny gay guy who learns that sacrifice is worth it to get power to help the party though the strength elixir and ascending. i often romance astarion and leave him behind when i make choices that he'll disapprove of, so i see a totally different character. one of my mutuals played the game once as an astarion origin, and her view on him is akin to a tav whose hair she couldn't change. she changed his class early on to paladin and roleplayed him as converting to selunite worship for his girlfriend shadowheart.

you deffo don't have to romance him but i wish people would remember that there are hundreds of thousands of possible interactions in bg3 and you see a fraction of them in each 80 hour playthrough. companions are as changeable as tavs people are just more precious about them because canon is better than original characters here.

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

i didn't play an origin other than durge or tav for long but what i played gave me the same impression. some differences and unique stuff but overall same experience as a tav and same choices for the vast majority of the game

i did a ton of reloading to see branching options between my different playthroughs (did like 500 hours of this game) and idk man i feel while you're not wrong about different playthroughs offering different content i also think the vast majority of it is the illusion of choice and differences. sure there are thousands of tiny differences that might influence someone to lean one way or another with a portrayal but they're all very tiny and the foundation should be the same for most, biggest differences should come from how their personal quests end

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

that doesn't make sense to me. if you say astarion is the same character across the board for 90% of the game, and only changes based on how it ends, you're saying that the same person with the same experiences is equally likely to choose to murder 7000 innocent people and possibly force a tav to kill him as he is to choose to spare 7000 innocent people and give up the sun. that is way too different.

an astarion who refuses to back down from ascending is not the same as an astarion who wants to ascend but can be talked out of it, is not the same as an astarion who is undecided and can let the player character decide, is not the same as an astarion who doesn't want to ascend but can be enabled into ascending, is not the same as an astarion who doesn't want to ascend. all of these astarions are possible based on the incredible volume of reactions in the game and they are all equally canon, and they are all different. it is literally impossible to get all of astarion's reactions and voice lines and content in a single playthrough even if you use him as your only companion the entire time. they are not all meant to exist in the same reality at the same time.

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

an astarion who wants to ascend but can be talked out of it

is more or less the default astarion though. there are different reactions and interactions, but even if he has a good relationship with tav, romantic or not, he does want to ascend unless you talk him down or ruin it somehow. there's a part of him that can't be woobified to death without sounding OOC, which is almost definitely what op meant

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

nope. if you have high approval and insight you do not have to do any persuasion checks just talk to him and he will choose on his own to stop if you select the say nothing options. just because it's a difficult outcome to get doesn't mean it isn't as ic/canon. you can find videos of this on youtube.

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

to be clear, is your counter that a player influenced astarion is the default astarion

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

anon they're submitting converted selunite paladin astarion who is madly in love with shadowheart as an example of a valid and real characterization choice upthread

what do you think

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

i love this response for so many reasons

including that it reminded me their friend swapped him to paladin early on but shadowheart takes a while to admit she follows shar, which doesn't even touch how long it takes her to convert to selune

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

loving this the more i think about it negl

is the problem in this fandom that some people have no idea how to distinguish between gameplay and rp and are just using rp the way tumblr and twitter use the word headcanon

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

but it is. people on here argue that a tav is irrelevant because you can play as origin companions without tav, as if the origin companions don't have the same malleability as a tav when they absolutely do.

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

i have no idea what people argue because i almost never come to wankgate

i can tell you that i see origins as no different than tav when you play as them because you're largely playing with the same options. so yes, they're malleable when you play as them. having said that, you should not be rping the characters this way on dwrp because the choices presented to them are not always ic for them. lae'zel could go to the grove but we know if left to her own devices she will run to her people. the choices you can make are not the choices the character would make, they are gameplay decisions. they aren't blank slates, they are characters with backstories and personalities. if you are assigned a character and given a sheet with all their information and you disregard it, you aren't playing that character but an oc

you're arguing that someone ignoring their sheet info is a valid interpretation but it isn't an interpretation at all. yonout it another way, an actor in a movie or show can ad lib but they still have a script and if what they add doesn't make sense for the character then it won't make it in

unless it's thor, but also we should ignore thor

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

there's no way you're this dumb

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

are you the tav that got really mad on rpa about this exact topic

in hindsight this would explain why they acted as if rp preferences like "not wanting to play with tavs" were an alien concept never before heard of in dwrp

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

no, not at all. i am saying there is no default astarion.

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

astarion makes it clear multiple times he wants to ascend and plans to. that is part of his character and part of his story by default

there is no scenario where this is not true even if you play him as developing later because of tav

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

Totally different actions =/= totally different person and that's a very shallow way to view a character. An Astarion that doesn't kill 7000 people is an Astarion who has grown enough as a person through his relationship/respect for the mc to back off the selfish, nuclear option, but that doesn't make him a completely different dude.

Just because your hubby and friend have dumbass takes on the character doesn't mean those dumbass takes are real and valid and you'd be laughed out of dwrp if you tried to play converted Selunite Paladin Astarion. There is no version of the game where sad woobie Astarion is an actual character.

god, why is it always the sad backstory white dudes. Nobody is ever out here trying to Well Akshually Lae'zel into a more likeable person.

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

that's because Lae'zel is already perfect

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

not even touching the selunite astarion but

if you play astarion, or any of the origin characters, you can't just say that their opinions don't exist because you kept them in camp to avoid consequences. that approval/disapproval still exists as facets of their personality, even if you avoid it.

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

gtfo str80

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

touching grass is free

[(Anonymous)]

bait stinky

Re: Pairings you never want to play from your canon

[(Anonymous)]

> roleplayed him as converting to selunite worship for his girlfriend shadowheart.

you're trolling. no way.

hate i'm answering seriously but astarion says that he has tried to pray to every god and none of them ever answered them. they all left his ass on read. what the fuck do you mean converting to selunite worship?

you can do whatever you want in your playthrough gameplay wise but that doesn't make it in character, sorry to break it to you.