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251: back in my day wank meant something

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anon, be fair. the rubi mod contact page has anonymous comments disabled and logs IPs. people are never going to feel 100% comfortable speaking out against a mod initiative, particularly in matters of criticizing tone, when they have to go in logged in or use a VPN.

i don't think i've said anything unfair, and players being unwilling to express themselves to a mod team that is actively soliciting feedback from its player base is not just a mod problem. it is frustrating as a player who has felt supported by this mod team to see them getting dragged here for making changes that aren't actually that unpopular with the rest of the game.

if you don't like the changes, either drop and join a different game, or be an adult and talk to the mods about it directly. they might not change anything, but at least then you'll have done the thing that they actually want you to do, which is bring your concerns to them directly.

i'm truly glad you've had good experiences. but just because you are comfortable criticizing these mods logged in, with ip logging on, does not mean you can make the same request of other players, who might have a different perspective of the implicit power dynamic. mods that genuinely want the most breadth of unconditional feedback take the route of accepting anonymous comments without ip logging. of course any mod can decide they'd rather prioritize their own mh and comfort and limit their exposure to anon comments - but that comes at the cost of accepting that not all players will always feel comfortable reaching out with concerns and criticism.

it's the a trade-off, just like people who are uncomfortable logging in to articulate their concerns are effectively giving up their chance to trigger a response and confining themselves to just venting on anon comms.

"implicit power dynamic" are you fucking kidding. it's a dreamwidth game, not your goddamn job.

sure, power dynamic to the extent that there can be any concept of 'power' in a text-based roleyplaying hobby. there is a degree of authority that mods have in virtue of being able to kick people out of their game, which can't be denied. in light of that, some players don't feel fully comfortable bringing concerns to mods logged in and with ip logging turned on.

it is a mod problem in a game owned by someone famous for harassing other players, now currently being modded by someone who is famous for being really, really unpleasant to interact with. the problem is the mods. people were willing to put up with tifa and keep complaints quiet when they were able to rp however they wanted. these changes break the deal.

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not to mention how this mod has been trying to police how people talk about the game on their plurk.

share some deets, anon

invades player plurks to correct players on things they are getting wrong in the most pa manner possible

tries to shut down negative talk about the game by telling players to go to the screened mod contact post but frames it as "mods want to have a pleasant experience on plurk, and it's unfair we can't prepare ourselves for negative talk about what we're doing wrong"

then he can curate his space and unfollow people he deems as too negative, or not be the one to handle the mod plurk ffs

pel is not the mod they're talking about

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Unironically manipulative behavior on main.

It's fine to set a boundary on the mod Plurk or your own Plurk and say you won't engage in conversations that should go on the screened mod page

It's manipulative and controlling to assert how other people should behave and talk in their own optional spaces about the game in the name of your own mental health or being prepared for criticism or whatever but with this set of mods it's no surprise they're weaponizing therapy speak to try and control other people and then turn around and talk about how they were harmed when it didn't work

deets on the mods actually doing this? "they have a reputation" isn't good enough, can we see a pastebin

but how many of those claims of supposed unpleasantness are actually valid, and how many might be coming from trolls from TLV, a known bad game that he apparently went afoul of?

i was never in tlv or any of its spinoffs, have no history with pel, but find both him and his characters extremely offputting. this isn't grudgewank

of all the things, you landed on... tlv trolls for an apparently age-old wank?

fwiw, not that any of us can really prove anything while we're anon, i never played in tlv, but i've run into pel in multiple games, and he's always been marmite. love him or hate him, he's always had a little funk.

all of them are valid. hth.

Very valid.

Off topic but a comment down there reminded me, does anyone else feel like the players who ship with Tifa's characters get away with a lot more? Whether it's being flaky while holding a lot of important plot, or backseat modding. This has actually made me consider dropping more than the activity stuff.

yes.

how is nikolai holding so much plot? i don't understand why he's the defacto leader of the vt. i'm sick of seeing him leading all the metaplot and playing such a big role - there are other people here, too.

i was surprised they could apply for a plot coin this round considering i've never seen them finish a thread.

Yeah, Eppy getting to put Nikolai at the front of the faction, plus running the casino, makes it really hard to get involved because she's been consistently inactive since joining and so many important threads go really slow or get dropped entirely. She's also a terrible OOC communicator so sometimes stuff just exists in limbo for months.

Also Ianthe becoming a key figure - that player is more active but it does seem like Ianthe gets to do some really extreme and overpowered stuff that other characters aren't allowed to? Compared to how rigid some punishments and nerfs have been.

I don't actually dislike any of the mods but my characters were never really suited for close CR with Tifa's girls and I don't tongue her hole about her NPC, and it's made it so much harder to have my character get any political traction or mod cooperation on their plots.

damn, back in the day even just seeing eppy on a taken list was enough to make me reconsider joining a game

good to know she hasn't changed in three thousand years i guess

unless you are one of Eppy's chosen few you can count on never getting any CR or OOC communication from her, better to accept that now

eppy is an rp gatekeeper. she'll easily cut off all communication with you ooc or otherwise if your character even remotely looks at hers in a way she doesn't like.

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