(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, I can understand the John player's wank since it's all here and Nic's always been a lying twat. I know the Mary player and know she can be an abrasive piece of shit sometimes, so I can vouch for deets there.

But what the fuck did the Crowley player do that was so heinous? The amount of spite in this thread is way more than you'd expect from someone who was just a cliquey bitch. You're acting like she raped and murdered your entire family and gutted your dog. The worst I've heard of her doing here was crit That Jubilee and basically tell her to fuck off.

Not whiteknighting. I just want deets, since if you're going to treat her like the Second Coming of Wank Jesus, I wanna know what the fuck she did to deserve the title. It sounds like a good read.

'Nic's always been a lying twat'

(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Understatement of the fucking century, anon!

Don't know about this Crowley. I think the wank/dramaz happened before my time but I've played with Nic and Hannah in other games and they are the wankiest of the lot.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Can't speak for anyone else but for me she is a cliquey bitch who doesn't understand the subtleties that Crowley should understand. She "crits" someone if they don't kowtow to Crowley and treat him like a "king".

I don't know about anyone else, but most of the people I play have no reason at all to either care that Crowley is a "king" or that he thinks he's in charge.

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 07:00 pm (UTC)(link)
And AGAIN because I didn't say it enough: I don't know about anyone else...

Fuck, I can English, I swear.

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
citation needed. i've played off of her before and none of my characters have treated crowley like a king. in fact, there's very few characters in sp who play against him who actually do, so... wtf?

dda

(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
+1 to this

As far as I know the only person she ever critted about something like that was That Jubilee when she was explaining why Crowley wouldn't care about Jubilee or one of her other characters or what they were doing.

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
http://integrity.dreamwidth.org/316.html?view=223548#cmt223548

I feel sorry for that poor Ellen player, btw.

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
That Ellen is also That Jubilee.

I've begun to wonder if some of the wank about her isn't the SP SPN clique still bitching even though she's out of the game and has been for a long time.

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
The Ellen player is Cat, who is That Jubilee. I would tell you to read the crit that was left for her by the Crowley-mun, but Cat has screened or deleted all of it.

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-26 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Summarize? I keep seeing it cited as the be all and end all to crit, so I'm kinda interested.

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[personal profile] integrity 2013-02-26 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I wasn't going to comment here, but this has gotten completely ridiculous and out of control, so here I am.

At first, I took this criticism seriously. I am actually a proponent of this community's existence, because I honestly believe that a lot of good can come out of the ability for people to be invisible and totally honest. When I am namedropped here -- which I have been -- I try to deal with the individuals who offer honest criticism with the same decency that they extend me. I do not, however, tolerate individuals who just want to stir shit and be assholes for the sake of being assholes. This thread seems to have a mixture of both, so I will confront both.

1. I have been a seriously shitty player these past few months in terms of activity. It's not just in this game, but across the three that I play at. I have dropped a lot of characters in order to cope with my full time job and in preparing to enter law school. In addition to that, I had long since lost interest in Siren's Pull for a variety of reasons and I was going to drop when endgame was announced. I decided to stick around until endgame for my CR and, from what I can see of the game, a lot of people have done the same thing. I am sorry if this has hurt anyone's feelings, but that's just what happened. My main game is Adstringendum and I am active there -- I'm sorry that Siren's Pull fell by the wayside in the event of the game closing.

2. I am not -- repeat, not -- going to cease associating with my friends because other people tell me to. I do not know what people have against Nic, nor do I particularly care. She has been a good friend to me and any issues that I have with her, I speak with her directly about. Linking wankgate threads to my HMD and telling me "oh, this is what happens when you associate with a piece of shit like Nic" isn't going to make me cut off a good friendship. Whatever problems you have with Nic, take them to her, not to my HMD or to anyone else's.

3. Any criticism that I left Cat is her business and not anyone else's. If you all have copies or whatever of what I said to her, then I can't stop you from leaking them, but I appreciate it if you didn't. Whatever criticism I left her was un-anon and came from a point of frustration on my part due to several problems -- and these problems were resolved, privately, between us. I do not know if she is anon in this thread, nor do I really give a shit. That wank is long since over and honestly, it wasn't even that wanky to begin with.

4. My HMD is open, anon-enabled, and IP free for all my characters. If you have any issues, feel free to come to me with them. I check Wankgate frequently to see whether or not people have issues with me, but like I said earlier -- I don't respond to people who simply want to stir shit, which seems to be a lot of what is happening here. If you wish to leave me links to Wankgate on my HMDs for my attention, please ensure they are about me and not about someone else, because that is their business, and not mine. I relish criticism and people using anon to speak with me if they feel uncomfortable, but I do not appreciate it being abused. If I receive another namedrop link about one of my friends that I "associate" with in an attempt to stir shit, it will be deleted and ignored.

I think that about covers it. Continue on with your discussion. And, as always, if you want to ask me questions, I have a variety of contact methods, and I do not bite. Thanks!
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(Anonymous) 2013-02-27 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
I’m not in any of your games, and as far as I know, I’ve never played with you anywhere else. But I have to say, I wish I did. You sound like a chill and classy person, and frankly, there needs to be more players like you out there. I have nothing to contribute to the discussion here, other than to say I think you handled this in an awesome and mature way and you sound like a cool person to know.

Also, as a fellow SPN rper, I was curious and read some of your threads with Crowley on his IC contact post, and they were fun and entertaining to read and I thought his voice came through clearly. Just my two cents as a drive-by WG reader.
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[personal profile] integrity 2013-02-27 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the compliments! I put a lot of work and effort into Crowley's character, so to hear that his voice is coming through clearly means a lot to me. He's a lot more than a comic relief character and I try to exemplify all aspects of his character. At the risk of sounding like a soulbonder, he's my precious babbu.

As for the rest, I try very hard to treat others as I would like to be treated, and I am certainly not afraid to tell people when they're being dicks. It surprises me that one or two extraordinarily hateful people in this thread feel the need to drag me into a situation that not only has nothing to do with me, but also feel the need to tell me who I can and cannot befriend. The last I checked, I am a fully functioning adult and I can make that decision for myself.

On a lighter note, I am currently in Ataraxion and Adstringendum, with Siren's Pull closing soon. So if you look into any of those games, you'll find me around! Looking forward to playing with you, anon, if we run into each other someday. ♥

(Anonymous) 2013-02-27 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
no we are not going through your bs again. you sung this song months back how youll change and look where we are now. doingp the same shit in the same overlong tldr crap.

stfu and not app into other games when sp dies w/ some dignity. musebox, psl, idgaf long its not in a place where you know you have to play with other people and not just your superspecialsparkle friends. you and your friends shitting up other games is deathcon 5 for me as a lone warrior spn player in a game.
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[personal profile] integrity 2013-02-27 03:10 am (UTC)(link)
I have literally no close CR with these "superspecialsparkle" friends that have been lumped into this wankfest, actually. The only close CR Crowley has within his cast is Castiel -- he has a lot more cross-canon CR than he does canon. I don't join games just to play with one or two people, because that would defeat the purpose of joining a game to begin with. What happened with Siren's Pull is unfortunate, but a product of a lot of factors, not because I want to remain in a super special clique.

So -- I'm sorry you feel that way, but the facts don't really support the evidence presented by this brigade of childishness. I'm sorry that you feel so strongly about me, but I'm not going to apologize for having the friends that I do and playing in the games that I play. I will apologize for being inactive lately, but that's hardly a crime warranting this level of vitriol and animosity, especially when I haven't done anything to deserve it.

The only Supernatural muse I play right now in-game is Crowley and he is only in Adstringendum when Siren's Pull closes. So, if you do not want to play with me, you do not have to. That's your choice. I don't force myself upon anyone to tag me.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-27 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
hi cat.

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(Anonymous) 2013-02-27 04:56 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, fuck you. You can't judge a player's normal RP behavior by their behavior in a dead game where they feel unmotivated and alienated by the mods. I'm sorry if you wanted to play with her but got frustrated or pissed off, but I assure you that unless you're Cat or a mod, it wasn't personal.

I've seen her be open and branch out in games that aren't dead and boring with a history of frustrating player drama and IC harassment that the mods refuse to deal with.

And you know what? This applies to a lot of the other people namedropped. SP is an unfortunate case. A lot of people see it closing as starting over.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-27 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
nothing against you, broski.

but I'm curious. how exactly has nic been a good friend to you? curious because I've never seen her be a good friend to anybody. I've been her 'friend' for a year now and at first I treated her like all my other friends. we talked, rped, laughed, did memes, ect. but then I started noticing little things.

a friendship is supposed to be give and take. you make compromises.

all nic does is take. she wants you to alter a graphic for her, do icons, help her make AC, talk to her on aim when she's feeling insecure WHICH HAPPENS TO BE ALL THE FUCKING TIME. she'll ask you to find her links, guilt trip you into sending her money, buying her paid time. The list goes on.

she's very passive aggressive too.

and in that whole time we've been friends, she's never done anything in return for me or even any of our mutual friends. if I want to talk, or play out a certain psl or even when it comes to opinions or advice regarding certain things, she'll just give a one word response and an emote or try and get out of it. you're constantly doing favors for her and you don't get nothing back in return.

and then on top of that, there's all the lies. the baww post up hiatuses for me and then she's back plurking and rping two days later. I can't deal with these little games she plays. and I've tried talking to her about it but she never learns.

like the anon who posted the pastebins said, you would have thought she'd learn her lesson by now but evidently she hasn't learned a damn thing.

and I know this isn't your problem man. I do. I'm just curious as to how she could have possibly been a good friend to you. unless our views on what a good friend is differ largely?
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[personal profile] tables 2013-02-27 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
This is still PR, but I'm doing tags, and I don't want to ruin my open tabs by switching back into Crowley's account.

For starters, I'm glad you recognize that this isn't my problem, because a large part of why I'm annoyed is that I was dragged into someone else's problems for absolutely no reason. One or two people in this thread seem to have a large problem with me, which I'm more than happy to deal with, because it involves me. Wankgate is a community that allows anon to vent their honest feelings about other players and I am more than happy to respond to them, so long as they concern me. I don't really give a damn about the other namedrop threads, because that's up to that player to deal with their own wank or lackthereof.

Secondly, I am not going to speak on Nic's behalf, because she's a big girl and she can do that herself. I am going to say that Nic has never once asked me for money, for paid time, to listen to her "whine", or has acted passive aggressive toward me. I have little tolerance for people taking advantage of others or being passive aggressive, which most if not all of my friends can attest to. Rest assured that if Nic tried to do this with me, especially considering my own financial situation, I would have told her that she can deal with 15 icons. However, she has not, and if she has done that with you (which I doubt, but that's my own personal experience), then maybe you should stand up for yourself and tell her to stop doing that.

Most of the problems I see in this thread involve people who seem to be incapable of telling people their own boundaries. If you have a problem with Nic, then fine -- you have a problem with her, but go do something about it. Stirring shit on Wankgate is not going to solve the problem you have with this individual. If you really dislike her so much and you have such a problem with her being a shitstain of society, then defriend her and move on. By asking me to defend my friendship with her, you are emulating the passive aggression you seem to loathe so much, and that is why I am so irritated. This entire thread is full of hypocrisy and namecalling and nothing concrete is being accomplished.

In short, I'm friends with Nic because she's been nothing short of a kind and generous person to me. I have never once felt pressured or threatened by her -- and any issues I have, I would take to her personally. I am in a cast with her in two games and I have never once had an issue with her. The day that changes, which I doubt it will, but if it does, I will deal with it like a big girl and move on with my life.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-27 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I am actually a proponent of this community's existence, because I honestly believe that a lot of good can come out of the ability for people to be invisible and totally honest.


Correction: Because I am one of the biggest and wankiest wankers to ever wank.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-27 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
where are the deets? i haven't seen any this thread on her except clique whining which is hardly big wanker material.
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[personal profile] integrity 2013-02-28 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
If you want to believe that about me, then that's your prerogative, but if posting on an HMD and playing in a couple of games where my friends happen to play too is considered wanky, then I'm totally guilty.

(Anonymous) 2013-02-27 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
these problems were resolved, privately, between us.

Really? How? Because from what I understand, they never were, and then she was suddenly banned and the pair of you never spoke again. Maybe you should talk to her yourself, before you declare things resolved. Like you keep stating you do.
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[personal profile] integrity 2013-02-28 12:31 am (UTC)(link)
Seeing as there is a large amount of miscommunication on what actually happened, I'll just lay it out here.

I held a lot of concerns with Cat and how she played her characters. I frequently felt harassed and that her style of play was problematic. It was also making playing out Crowley's plot that I had with several other people difficult in that she kept interfering when it did not involve her. I was also concerned with her characterization of several characters, mainly Jubilee and Byakuya. Instead of letting it continue, I offered her my criticisms on her HMD. They were said on a perfectly open and un-anon forum -- and I tried my best to remain as polite as possible. I am not sure whether or not the comments still exist, nor am I going to go into detail about what I said, but I felt that I had plenty of justification in saying what I did, and the responses I received were polite. Though the responses were politely worded, it became clear that there was going to be no resolution to this problem and that it would impact my playing of my character negatively. I politely requested that she not tag me (which was a suggestion of the moderators per my original complaint to them, so I decided to follow their advice in approaching the problem myself), and she listened to my request. That is where my involvement in the story ends. Cat's leaving of Siren's Pull wasn't my fault -- or, at least, I didn't blatantly request her be kicked out of the game. If the mods want to talk about her leaving of the game, that's up to them, but I'm not going to parade about with false rumors or put words in the moderators' mouths. I don't know the specific details -- if I did, I would give them to you.

There is absolutely no animosity toward her on my part, but judging from the amount of anger in this thread, there may be some on her part. If there is, I welcome her to contact me if she has any problems with me, like I do everyone else. The last I spoke with her directly was on her HMD and we were not close friends before this incident, but you are correct that I assumed everything was fine, and I am sorry if things ended on a far more sour note on her end. It wasn't my intention to hurt anyone's feelings.

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(Anonymous) 2013-03-02 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
People continually mentioned your cliqueiness in another game I played with you in. I, myself, found it extremely frustrating there. People are now mentioning your cliqueiness in another game. You always have an excuse for why it's happening... but I hope that someday you'll realize the problem might actually BE your cliqueiness. That's the only way you'll stop attracting wankfests and stop frustrating others to the point that they have so much vitriol towards you in the first place. I'm not saying this to pick on you; I just genuinely want to help.

For what it's worth, I do think this is a good post and agree with most of what you've said.

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