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gamemates who are outright afraid or hateful towards hmds and crit. i don't mean people who are a little nervous, because hey, that's natural, especially for new players or when new characters are involved. but if i see someone go into fullblown shaking and crying mode i always assume that they're an obnoxious, oversensitive little fuck

agreed. this also goes for anyone who won't take anon crit in any form. if you won't listen to crit unless you know exactly who gave it to you i assume you have zero interest in actually getting crit and just want to know who to shit talk.

i think a difference needs to be made between discounting anon crit because eeeevil anons and disabling anon on your hmd posts. i have some friends who've gotten harassed pretty severely via their personal hmd posts, and i don't mean "you suck drop [x]" harassment. i mean "hi let me post graphic images of animals being ripped open" harassment. so, if i see someone who has anon disabled or ips turned on, or doesn't have an hmd post at all, i try to give them the benefit of the doubt unless they're like murder or somebody like that.

i've been playing for long enough that i feel confident in my rping ability. if i want to improve a character i feel shaky about, i'll ask someone who knows that canon really well, or i'll do a canon review. i've never gotten helpful crit. i've never actually gotten crit, period. just a lot of bland, useless asspats.

so i don't bother with crit posts anymore. i'm a stable person who's never been involved in wank, and i make myself available for plot discussion. i do kind of expect that people will be able to talk to me about any potential issues like we're both adults... and i don't think that's unreasonable. if somebody doesn't want or need anonymous crit, then that's their choice.

if somebody doesn't want or need anonymous crit, then that's their choice.

there's a difference between being confident and being arrogant. thinking you don't need crit puts you firmly in the second category. i'm confident with my characters too, but that doesn't mean i play them perfectly and couldn't improve at all. sure, it'd be nice if people wanted to speak to me face-to-face about things, but after having had bad experiences trying to give crit to people before, i can understand why people may be more comfortable staying anonymous.

No, it doesn't. Crit is necessary in situations where your goal is to improve at what you're doing, or where reaching or sustaining a particular level of skill is necessary. Roleplay isn't one of those situations for a lot of people. It's a hobby, not an art form, an education, or a job, and as long as they're happy with their skill, that's good enough. If someone's incredibly bad, you can refuse to play with them or let them into your game, and you can attempt to open lines of communication, but they're not actually required to listen to you beyond respecting your wish that they leave you alone, and they certainly aren't required to give you a consequence-free forum for airing complaints.

i do this as my after work hobby, too. that doesn't mean i want to be surrounded by people who are ooc and shitty writers. if a person doesn't care to stay in character or write decently, they need to stick to memes and museboxes and not pollute games with their subpar shit.

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in addition to that, when you app into a game you're knowingly entering a sort of subculture of society where certain laws are understood and observed, in order to be a functioning part of this group. one of the things a roleplayer is expected to observe is to make themselves available for crit from their peers in a manner of their choosing that is accepted by general consensus. with obvious exceptions (citing the anon above with their friend receiving harassment), that universally accepted doorway is an anon-enabled hmd post.

even if prev. anon thinks they're "good enough" with their characters, unfortunately if they fail to meet the standards of their peers or the standards of the group, then they either need to improve or get out. it's how groups work, like clubs or teams or any kind of recreational organized activity. just because this one isn't government-sanctioned doesn't mean it's without its own set of regulations.

yes, rp is just a hobby, but it's also a group hobby, and bad rping can make the hobby less fun for the other people that you're playing with. think of it like sports: if you're just dribbling a basketball in your driveway with your bff, it doesn't matter how good you are, as long as you two are having fun. but if you join a team at a local rec center, then you're expected to show some skill and more importantly effort, or else you're going to drag the team down and make the game less fun for them. yeah, basketball is just a hobby and nobody's doing it professionally, but that doesn't mean you have any less of an impact on the team.

It's as much an art form as someone who writes short stories in their free time or draws and doodles for a hobby. Do they have to improve dramatically to meet the whims of the official critics? No, absolutely not. But that doesn't mean they can't take critique and advise on improving what they're doing.

As an artist, even small and simple tips give me insight into how I can change around what I'm doing to fill my free time, which is doodling, and lets me be more satisfied with the end result of my spare time spent. If you think that you don't need critique, then the truth of it is that you're too emotionally unwilling to deal with someone telling you that you're not doing everything flawlessly and you're the sort of person that will take any critique meant to be helpful or even neutral advise as a personal attack, like a lot of the artists on deviantart who trace pictures do.

if you're too chickenshit to say it unanon then i don't really care what you have to say.

half the people who leave anon crit are the type who'll rush into plurk to buttpat and go 'bb, youre perfect ;;' so the person doesn't guess they're the anon, then come here and bitch about how that person isn't listening to the crit.

How does having a name attached validate or invalidate what is said? If someone is giving me shitty crit it doesn't matter if they sign in or not, I'm probably not going to take it as seriously as if someone gave me real legitimate crit.

Also, didn't you know that 70% of statistics are made up on the spot?

This. Either crit is valid or it isn't. It doesn't matter who it comes from if it has merit.

I have never seen any of this 'shaking and crying' bullshit I see people whine about here so much. The only people I've ever met with anything against HMDs or 'crit' have legit reasons to not want to bother with it.

It makes me doubt these 'shaking and crying' people even exist anywhere but the imaginations of wankgaters who are complaining that they can't shit-talk someone under the guise of 'crit'.

i've seen someone have a complete meltdown after receiving crit on an hmd. the crit was well-reasoned and polite and used plenty of canon examples to back it up and the person threw a fit and got ridiculously defensive and ended up dropping.

Ah, gotta love the old 'I haven't seen it so it doesn't happen' response.

Spoken like someone who's never had to deal with Murder in a game

are you kidding me, even i've seen them and i don't have plurk

we get pastebins all the time

i see you haven't met ki

I'm pretty sure the phrase [you guys I am literally] 'shaking and crying' came from Ciara's self-reported plurk reaction to the announcement that Siren's Pull was closing.

Adopted and applied to tittybabbies everywhere.

'Shaking and crying' was definitely around before that, it's been here for awhile as the drama queen community's pet phrase for showing how traumatized they are over basic run-of-the-mill things.

I'm honestly not sure why anybody uses it seriously anymore since it's become such a joke, but I've definitely seen plenty use it in earnest, the Siren's Pull meltdown people included.

i did not realize anyone ever used it seriously. like i thought that it was a joke term from the beginning.

i hope when i make plurks like "[shaking and crying] stubbed my toe" or whatever people know i'm joking, lmao

it definitely happens. i've seen plenty of people flip the fuck out over crit that really isn't all that bad, and some that is helpful and constructive. for every person that genuinely wants crit on their characters, there seem to be about three who will react badly to any kind of crit, no matter what they might say in public.

Every time I've crit someone without fail they took it as a personal offense and started being a. immensely passive aggressive or b. a whiny baby about it. I just don't bother anymore.

If it happens every time "without fail"...

It might just be you and not them.

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