wankgate | 134: reading comprehension optional

some history nerds are really mad. don't confuse the two. i mad, but not about stebe. stebe is boring enough to give superman a run for his morning in bland white guys who can do no wrong bullshit.

lol @ u

don't talk shit about superman you fucking moron

are u the history nerd who thinks the 30s was so good to gay people lol

lol no decade has been good to the gays but your lack of lgbt history knowledge isn't surprising. most people have no clue about pre-aids lgbt culture, let alone pre-stonewall, because an entire generation of our elders literally died off by the thousands and aren't here to educate us about it directly.

lol yes tell us more about how great the gays had it in the roaring twenties and how if it wasn't for mean old joe mccarthy we'd already be living in a new age of equality and tolerance

i get that you're trying to stir shit up with this comment but mostly it just makes you look like you can't read jsyk

try harder with your reply to me and i'll give you partial credit

this is your way of feeling better after getting utterly schooled in that other thread isn't it

we all saw it you know

While I'll grant you that the anti-sodomy legislation of early America that many folks today assume were enacted as anti-gay measures actually weren't ("sodomy" was a blanket term for non-procreative sex acts and/or y'know, animal buggery), there is still strong evidence of anti-gay attitudes among regular people. Suffragettes were routinely accused of being lesbians, Oregon had a gay panic in the nineteen-teens that culminated in a law that allowed for sterilization of "sexual perverts" (after gay men were rounded up and charged, wow I wonder what kind of sex perverts they wanted to target). Other states had similar laws for forced sterilization and also targeted gay men. In the 1920's, Harvard was kicking out gay students and the New York Assembly amended it's obscenity code to ban the discussion of homosexuality from the stage.

In the 40's you could be barred from serving in the military if you were gay, and if you were already serving and found out, you could be kicked out and denied GI Bill benefits. The Soviet Union was sentencing gay men to labor prisons and the Nazis were, well, Naziing as they did all over gay people. When Allies were liberating concentration camps, gay people leaving the camps could still be sent to prison! Look at how Alan Turing, a fucking hero, was treated by his own country after he was found out to be gay.

That's all from Googling for five seconds, for fuck's sake. LGBT people had a shitty time of it well before McCarthyism, it's documented fact. HTH.

tl;dr: OP is a classist, privileged piece of shit who only thinks LGBT people were swimming in a cultured, pro-gay paradise in the early 20th century because most of the abuses against homosexuals were enacted on underprivileged gay men. There was a vibrant gay community in Manhattan during Prohibition, and found popularity in the mainstream for a brief period because it was touted as a kind of Woo Woo tourist experience for the rich. Gay lifestyles were about as accepted then in the mainstream as Kim Kardashian showing off her ass is today: it was considered something titillating and shocking to gawk at and to be disapproved of and gossiped about to your friends for lulz. The largest gay dance in NYC at the time was charmingly headlined as THE FAGGOTS' BALL.

Even during the 20's, many of these establishments were raided and closed down. Owners got deported if they were immigrants. The end of Prohibition itself was the death knell for the majority of these clubs, although if you were rich as hell it didn't matter, you just hit up some of the expensive hotel bars in the area for your hookup. If you were poor as shit, like a large percent of the population in the Depression, and queer, you were SOL.

The thing OP seemed to miss in her degree program was that the wealthy can get away with a lot of shit by virtue of being wealthy. Rich gay people profiting off the exploitation of themselves and their peers' lifestyles in NYC is not an accurate representation of what other gay people in America were going through. Gay people were still being sterilized against their will and suffering other injustices in this oh-so-tolerant and idyllic time.

Shit fuck this was supposed to be short but I mad.

i never once claimed it was a utopia and people weren't shit on for being lgbt. in fact i pointed out the opposite repeatedly, and loudly, and in multiple posts. sorry for your inability 2 read, bub.

i am absolutely saying and will stand by the fact that people want to pretend that history and society have steadily gotten better, and therefore any point in history was markedly worse than it is now or ten years ago and that bullshit is dangerous.

lmao this makes three times now separate anons have schooled you

as one of the anons you got all high and mighty with i am just popcorn.gifing at these delicious takedowns, please by all means continue to show your rampant ignorance/willful denial so these actual intelligent anons can continue ripping you, 'cuz this shit is glorious

lol.

watching you idiots flail around from your mom's basement, cheeto encrusted fingers clutching the keyboard desperately because you just can't bear having your precious little world view threatened by real facts has been the highlight of a slow week.

please. keep it coming. please.

and if anybody comes up with any actual sources to support your dance -not wikipedia, but actual cited sources with references i can dig into, i'll take those too. you won't find them because they don't exist, but the goose chase might accidentally teach you something your american public education failed to.

and sorry, must've missed the other two 'schooling' me. i don't sit around wg all day jerking off to my bad ass self. job, remember?

your ass is so blasted rn

keep the tryhard act coming your tears of impotent lesbo fury are delicious

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