251: back in my day wank meant something

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Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

no, sorry, i actually meant this:

https://saltburnmods.dreamwidth.org

i completely understand that it's intentionally a certain aesthetic, but i'm afraid it didn't make it easier to navigate for me! i'm not someone who typically needs very polished layouts or visuals in game codes, since i'd find it unfair to ask of others what i know i couldn't produce myself. but this is just not user friendly to me.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

is it hard to navigate by typing /profile into the url? some games and users on here have really shitty aesthetic layouts, but you can access everything through the profile usually or just view it as the site skin

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

new anon to this conversation, but that feels a lot like it defeats the purpose. i don't think all games/layouts have to be 'mobile friendly', but if you make it so that the thing you have out there to draw people in/display your game is impossible to navigate for a large chunk of people so they have to add in something to make it legible, you need to rethink your aesthetic. can i add in /profile? of course. but not everyone's going to initially think that and frankly, they shouldn't have to. your game layout shouldn't be stupid.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

at the same time "this is a problem I could easily fix myself but I'm choosing not to do it" is also not a good look.

I hate 90% of the aesthetic on this site (journals that are just a single image and nothing else are bullshit imho) but I have learned how to navigate around it. honestly some games are so ugly with the same boring tessisiamess layouts it's kind of funny to have one that has made being ugly an aesthetic choice.

Dda

[(Anonymous)]

I normally would also agree with you except this game isn't trying to attract a large chunk of people to join it or navigate it. It's a private game where you have to know the mod. There isn't an invite request or even a way for players to invite other players.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

like i said above, i can find ways around using the layout! i use /?style=mine, personally. but i thought we were commenting on why we didn't vibe with the layout. for me, it's not that it doesn't fit my personal aesthetic, it's largely a navigability and access issues. i'm not discounting that a lot of work went into it! it's just not checking an important box for me.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

the icons at the side goes to the communities. the pop up box that says NAVIGATION goes to the navigation. the start button goes to the profile. I'm on mobile with nav bar turned off and I got around just fine. what else does a mod journal need to have? all the communities with content, and the info pages, are fully readable.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

"well i can do it so obviously there's no problem" isn't the greatest way to approach accessibility

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

there's no reason a dwrp mod journal needs to be accessible when the accessibility tools are built into dreamwidth itself. if you have issues with layouts then you use the option to turn them off. that's literally what they're for.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

i think "there's no reason to be accessible" is also a bad take. shrug

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

+1 the onus should not be on the viewer to find work arounds when the creator could just NOT

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

+1

as a prospective player, if the first things i look at when considering a game all require me to jump through unnecessary extra hoops to even view, what is gonna motivate me to bother?

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

the point is that it IS accessible if you use the accessibility tools provided by dreamwidth

this is like someone demanding that people stop using pictures in their posts because they use a screen reader and also refuse to read alt text. if you're not willing to use the tools you've been given to curate your experience and improve your life, then why should everyone else cater to you?

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

that isn't the point of accessibility and inclusivity actually. people who give a shit about this think of these things at the time of design

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

you're basically saying "stairs are accessible to wheelchair users if they just install their own ramp"

web accessibility isn't just about "mobile-friendly", it has to be legible even without images (yes, for e-readers and tts tech) and without going through extra steps (again, because most tts devices don't exactly have a wealth of navigational functions that allow you to finagle website settings)

if i have to do 10 other different things to make your layout accessible, it's not accessible at all is it

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

except this is more like wheelchair ramps at a public library vs someone's private home that they may not need to modify for their own needs

if bakerstreet suddenly became inaccessible and you needed to take a bunch of extra steps to read it on mobile, yeah that would probably be a valid complaint

presumably if people who were invited to this private space they would have brought up accessibility concerns to the mod, the friend who invited them, rather than run to wg about it

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

it's fine to just say you don't give a shit

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

I don't, in fact, care about the accessibility of fully private spaces I'm not part of. Hope that helps.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

boo hoo, who cares, you're not apping or invited to the game anyway

this is the same "i should be able to access and apply to every single game and they should all roll out the red carpet for me" entitlement that's stinking up dwrp and the reason why 90% of games are private and invite only these days

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

i hope you get one or more limbs amputated

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Setting aside that this is a private game, the gap between building an expensive wheelchair ramp and using pre-existing site tools on dreamwidth to view things in your own layout is so wide you could compare it to a Florida sinkhole. TOUCH GRASS.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

no anon making people click the view in your own layout or view in light mode option on the nav bar is literally the same as saying you want disabled people to die.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Lmao ok, you’re just buttmad everyone thinks your LA shiny game is ugly af and a toxic containment zone

guess the ugly fits the players

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

i'm glad you didn't have problems! i'm not really sure what more you expect me to say other than that it's not really accessible for me, personally, which is what i did from the beginning. as i've also mentioned, i can deploy a fix around it, too. but we were discussing the functionality of the layout, and those are my five cents on it.

i'm not throwing stones at it, i'm not saying everyone should have the same experience, and i've even been acknowledging that it looks as if a lot of work went into it. i'm sure it's great for other people, and i'm glad you're one of them!

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

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