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(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

this is my impression. probably a level 1 or level 2 autistic person without the capacity or ability to see beyond their special interest which probably means they aren't able or shouldn't participate here. not saying autistic people shouldn't be in dwrp, we know a good handful of us are also, but how many of us are latched onto the sex pest grape kid and unwilling to explore ANY other characters? it's been 4 years and they still want to bring back the grape boy. that doesn't demonstrate growth or insight into WHY they originally crashed out.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think they actually tried to bring back grape boy. They just admitted that Mineta was their original attempt. Per the self-namedrop upthread, they have tried at least one other character.

(frozen comment) ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

oh my bad. i guess no matter the character they tried to bring they were just as likely to have a complete meltdown over criticism.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

fyi functioning labels and "levels" are bad please don't use them

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

fyi level 1 autism spectrum disorder is the diagnosis please use it. level 1, 2, and 3 are ways of measuring impairment and support needs. they're not "bad" and it's detrimental to autistic people to pretend like there aren't different needs based on different presentations.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

+1 terminally online autistic people with low support needs trying to erase the existence of autistic people with high support needs is a deeply fucked up trend and we should say so more often

signed, a level 1 caretaking a level 3 family member

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

ik this is wankgate but i have a lot of empathy for your situation anon. that's a hard place to be in

more on topic: this is it exactly. the terminally online/tiktok-diagnosed autistic ppl with low support needs are just perpetuating the old "i'm not autistic, i have asperger's" that for so long was how a lot of people w milder autism tried to separate themselves from those with higher impairment.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

dda and there's also the fact that almost all of those terminally online autistic people live in mommy and daddy's basement with no job and never have to try to navigate the world, so they can't comprehend that for some people with autism life can actually be pretty difficult regardless of their specific level of impairment.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

this times a million. or the folks who say that it isn't a disorder. no, it actively makes my life harder, and that's part of the diagnostic criteria. if it's not impairing you in some way, you don't have autism! wild!

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

hdu, my excuse to complain about every minor discomfort tiktok-informed self-diagnosis is completely valid!

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

well of course it's not a disorder, it doesn't impair my life in any way!

brb asking mom to make me nuggies because i'm hungry

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

it's not a disorder, it's SOCIETY that's disordered! i am a perfect shining star gem and should never ever be expected to change even the smallest thing about myself, ever

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

this is why i don't think self-diagnosis is valid on its face and that online communities SHOULD gatekeep; don't require proof of a medical dx, but at least say people who have received one are the expectation because most of the self-dx crowd is just weird. they're not dealing with an actual disorder, they're not having to deal with the foreign language of school and employment and shit. but i wouldn't dare admit that anywhere in namespace. i am sympathetic to it being expensive, but if you need accommodations you need the diagnosis. and if you don't, you are not impaired.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

but how else am i supposed to win a gold at the oppression olympics

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

The struggle is felt. I'm feeling like maybe I do need more support than I thought I did, and that the people who know me are right to be concerned over it.

Acting like it's just "a difference", not a disability doesn't help people - especially adults who have a hard time getting the supports they need due to all the misconceptions out there.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

^ this

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

no worries anon, we're all just regular people here even if we're loudly salty sometimes, I appreciate it.

it was years ago but I think a lot about that guy who tweeted a picture of his nonverbal brother grinning ear to ear, having a fun day at the zoo, and how he got ripped apart by the twitter autistic crowd because how dare it be implied he's nonverbal, that's a stereotype, he clearly just hasn't found the exact correct way to communicate in an allistic-adjacent fashion. It's like they can't stand to see autistic people existing who are more than just ~slightly quirky~

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

da but thinking functional labels are bad because everyone's support needs can change isn't the same thing as thinking everyone is the same or that nonverbal people don't exist, anon. many people have support needs on all "levels" at different times and that's why they're bad, not because of some weird twitter shit.

next you're going to tell me that ABA is good, actually.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

the "weird twitter shit" is in fact, a deeply fucked up kind of lateral ableism within autistic communities that happens *a lot* and you are no going to make it disappear by being a pedant. there are people who exist who have level 3 support needs *at all times* and it should be possible to have conversations about how to meet those needs without getting immediately slapped with this "🤓 um, akshually, that's ableist" horseshit you're doing right now with your fully functional language capabilities on the internet

kindly go fuck yourself with a cactus, you cretin

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

the assumption i can talk because i can type kind of sucks, but i am now worried i will be turned into a did you assume my gender joke by pointing that out

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

drive-by thank you for bringing this up

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

it's almost like some kind of... spectrum...

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

no way it MUST be a line from 1-3 no spectrum wheels allowed

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

Question: have you in the last 5 years had to navigate acquiring services for yourself or a loved one with autism?

Diagnosed levels are necessary to gain access to support services and accomodations. If your support needs change, then the thing to do is get reassessed and loop in your IEP/providers/therapists/etc.

ABA is today more of a blanket term and the only one recognized as an autism specific therapy. The self-diagnosed low needs autistic adults online like to spread horror stories about shock therapy and abuse as if this is standard and widely practiced. It is not. Your experience will of course vary from provider to provider but the consensus from my personal experience as well as a dozen other parents who I have spoken to who closely monitor their child's therapies is that it is essentially play therapy that doesn't even go so far as to pressure kids to stop stimming unless the stims are physically self-harming. What I've heard from every single person who has spoken out against ABA is... they have no personal experience with it, are parroting what they've heard in online echo chambers, have never talked to an ABA therapist or visited a clinic, and have self-diagnosed so late in life that they've never even had to navigate or educate themselves about current heathcare services for children with autism.

(frozen comment) Re: https://wankgate.dreamwidth.org/62120.html?thread=244051368#cmt244051368 cw self harm threats

[(Anonymous)]

mine is level 2, I don't live in my parents basement, I'm nonverbal and I don't like functional labels either. We are here too.