da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
if that's okay, then they better have no problem with their character suffering the ic consequences of their fucking around.

dda +1

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 05:06 pm (UTC)(link)
mte

I would love to play out the IC consequences of such a thing, otherwise that is sketchy as fuck.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
i wouldn't have a problem with ic consequences unless it was a case where the character ~magically~ found out about it, i.e. the character was suddenly suspicious or suddenly just knew because the player did, which happens all the fucking time in cases like this.

you people really need to learn the difference between ic and ooc and not get so overinvested in ships.

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
excuse me? when did i mention magically finding out? or finding out immediately at all, magically or not?

still, just like in real life, it all comes out eventually.

+1

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)

Re: ayrt

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
except no, it doesn't always come out eventually unless the cheater is fucking stupid about it. the only time any player owes you a heads up about anything they do with their own character is when they know it's going to impact yours. if they have no intention of having the affair come to light and the other player is on board with it you aren't owed anything.

Re: ayrt

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
if you are playing out a relationship and the player of the other character makes their character cheat on yours, that does impact their character.

what the fuck is wrong with you?

sa

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
*your character

Re: ayrt

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, if your character finds out about it

it doesn't impact your character just because you know about it ooc

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
i'd want to plot out a way for my character to find out though, and i think a non-douchey person would be willing to work with you about that. it's just not satisfying to me to play out my character being cheated on forever and never knowing about it, sorry. also, lbr, if you're playing a very observant character or a character who is highly attuned to the emotions of others around them, it would probably be ooc for them to not eventually find out.

if they refused to plot with me about that or wanted to keep my character in the dark forever, then i'd just find some other reason for my character to break up with theirs. which doesn't have to involve infomodding, either - people fall out of love or just lose interest in relationships all the time irl, even if there's no "obvious" reason why.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-20 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
if it's just not satisfying for you to have your character cheated on in a ship that is otherwise interesting and fun, sorry but that does smack of taking it personally and being overinvested.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
it sounds less overinvested than someone being absolutely determined that their character's cheating never comes to light icly, tbh.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
is there seriously this much drama brewing over a fictional relationship between fictional characters

dear lord

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
well it started out as a discussion about communicating with your fellow players, until some nutjob got their panties in a wad about how expecting some fucking communication is so blurring the ic/ooc line.

-1

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Some people don't enjoy certain things in fiction. I know a lot of people who don't like reading fic or watching movies or TV shows that prominently feature cheating. It's not about being invested in the characters but about not enjoying that type of story and when your character is cheated on, you have no choice in the matter of being involved. When things will really impact your close CR, you at least give them a heads up, whether it's a ship or not.

+1

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
If you're using my character to write out cheating, I am going to take my own part in how it's resolved. Which, hell, depending on how the pairing was supposed to be in the first place and what I want to put my character through, I might have been perfectly happy to keep my character in the pairing regardless of the cheating! But honestly, to someone who pulls this without warning, I'm probably just going to have my character become unhappy with the relationship themselves and walk out. Maybe yours was cheating because the flame was fading anyway, there we go.

If someone playing a pairing with me wants to do another ship, I'm perfectly open to poly and would discuss my character being cool with the fact that their partner wants to see someone else too. Or we could do an amicable breakup (well, amicable OOCly at least). Don't just launch a cheating plot on me and expect I'm ok with my character being a prop for it.

+1

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
i'm one of those people. i'm all for having some ic conflict in pairings, but i do not want to play out cheating plots. it's outside my comfort zone. cheating is a potentially sensitive issue and it's shitty to spring something like that on someone when you don't know how they feel about it. it's no different from any other boundaries or preferences another player might have.

this is not some minor conflict like "dean accidentally broke goku's favorite vase" you can work around. cheating is something that can have a huge impact on my character. when dean finds out goku was cheating on him (and he will, because few players are good at being subtle), there are tons of potential emotional consequences for that- maybe dean's trust is shattered. maybe he has trouble forming new romantic relationships because he keeps remembering goku. maybe he has a period of being angry and hurt because he thought goku was happy with him. maybe he starts questioning himself. very few characters will go "eh nbd" and brush it off.

(general) you can't assume cheating will have zero consequences ic. you can't force it to have zero consequences ic just because you don't want to deal with them.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 04:07 am (UTC)(link)
even if the cheating isn't known icly, it's still a factor that colors the interactions on a meta and ooc level. surprise surprise, that could mean it stops being "fun and interesting" for at least one party involved.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
considering that we have to plan out fights/plots ahead of time, why is the idea that having to know if your character's relationship isn't as it seems such a shocker for some people. whether it's ic or not, there should definitely be ooc conversation about it because as stated, some people just don't like to play out that kind of situation. be respectful of your partners.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
idk man. the way i see it, it'd be like if you arranged a plot with another player, and then they went and did something that would not only derail it, but also put your character in a shitty place as a result, all without asking for your input first. it's fine to feel a bit put-out about someone doing that, as long as it isn't a full-blown meltdown like someone mentioned below.

Re: da

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
i'm pretty much arguing that people should mention beforehand that they're splitting off from the ship. keep your partner in the know.

ayrt

(Anonymous) 2015-01-21 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, i'm assuming anyone who'd go through with this would be, should other characters find out about the situation