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251: back in my day wank meant something

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ken and second would be in the nightmare fuel section, don't read before going to bed

don't forget Funk

the trifecta of literal sex pests in RP

i'm not sure 'sex pest' is really the way you wanna describe either second or ken tbh

i mean unwanted sex is kind of annoying

with your sibling, no less

or was it a cousin? i don't quite remember.

and then there's everything second did, of which the actual sex was not even the worst part

if second had 'only' lured someone to her for sex irl... eh, whatever, not our business, as long as its consensual

that's not what second did. second not only groomed a minor but is the only person in dwrp history known to have possibly caused somebody's literal death.

i keep seeing this passed around as in their death was a suicide, but from what i saw officially is that it was determined to be a accident - they got caught up in a blizzard and wasn’t dressed for it.

if you have anything to back it up, i’d like to know it. otherwise it just seems like people trying to go True Crime Internet Theorycrafters on something horrific that does not need further speculation.

there's a reason they weren't dressed for it. it might not have been a conscious decision to go out and end their life, but their mental health had been getting so bad, there's more reason to believe it was an intentional accident as opposed to not.

like i said in another comment, it was less that he was lured out or intentionally killed by second, but she did such a number on him and left him so broken, that his death was likely caused because he was incapable of taking care of himself properly and wasn't that interested in trying.

…oh geeze i must have not been checking anoncomms when that went down because this is how i find out about it.

that's just so tragic, regardless of what "really" caused it. fuck.

It was most likely ruled "an accident" for the family's sake. Like another anon said, you don't walk into the woods during a blizzard in light clothing unless you are at minimum unwell. Fin was also deadnamed and old pronouns were used in articles. I don't think the parents really understood or were prepared to deal with everything Fin was going through, which is how Second was able to swoop in. I don't remember Second's age but she had a school age daughter and Fin was only 17. Second was full of herself and tried to say how much she was "helping" Fin but no one here bought it.

how is this 'second' person not in fucking jail????? you all have evidence online about the maltreatment, did no one think to report them at all?

pretty sure at the time they were reported. but then finn aged over 18 and became legal, since i think half the stuff done was online and not applicable. they were, i think, canadian, so there was the cross country stuff. the majority of what they did when finn was underage was borderline and after finn left, it was all stuff that they dealt with in the aftermath.

i do recall seeing stuff on here about people contacting their families and the authorities, so things were tried, but second skirted the legalities and was never charged with anything.

courts of law tend to need more substantial evidence than 'something some anon said on a journal roleplay community.'

The sad thing is that a lot of this stuff is actually either borderline or not criminal. Fucking over someone's mental health is a pretty vague behavior to allege, and Fin being 17-18 means that depending where exactly he was located, he may well have been over the local age of consent. The internet at large tends to blur 18 as the age of legal adulthood (in the USA) with the age of consent to sexual activity, but in fact it can be as low as 14 depending on the state, as fucking horrible as that is - meaning that a DA wouldn't be able to nail her for the BDSM shit. Generally speaking, unless someone's getting their ass beat or their paycheck stolen, relationship abuse tends to be difficult or impossible to prove or prosecute, so the manipulation angle is also probably a legal dead end. Even causing Fin's death is more something we've imputed by the facts we have rather than something that could be objectively demonstrated in a court of law (or to cops who likely beat their own partners and kids, js).

Other anons may have further deets, but iirc it was never actually confirmed that Second even lived in the US.

I did report it.

What's absolutely terrible and completely and utterly unforgivable is that second's friends knew. they knew about the relationship that started when Fin was 15. they knew she was grooming him and instructing his self-harm sessions and they didn't report it to the fucking police because, as I recall the logic of one of them being, "standards are different wrt age gap relationships when you're Queer".

as if "older woman abuses boy and claims it's consensual because something something women aren't predators" becomes qualitatively different if the boy has a vagina

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thanks, i appreciate the license to punch my husband in the gut whenever he annoys me

go away, troll

yeah

wish I could say she was the only one who felt that way, but I went to a trusted older adult rper to ask what I should do/say when it all came out, and he got mad and said there was nothing wrong with their relationship. the bad reputation of queer theory academics is not entirely unearned (he was one).

i feel like there's a point of many fields of theory where they've spent so long in the theorizing/writing academic papers environment that they forget they're talking about real actual people who can be profoundly damaged by whatever they're spinning ten-dollar words about.

Ew??? Who the fuck were these friends and are they still in the community?

I don't know/remember, although I do know the main cheerleader was called something like uou?

I believe this relationship was brought to the community's wider attention when pastebins were put here featuring them and their friends gushing about how, while their relationship started in a slightly unhealthy place, it was sooooooooo healthy now. So if someone has links to the original thread/you want to go dumpster diving, you would find names there.

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I think she abandoned the daughter once the kid was no longer useful to her, btw.

out of morbid curiosity, what actually happened to second? when did this stuff happen, and are there any details of what went down when it all came out (meaning the community reaction, mostly, not what second was doing to finn)?

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