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[(Anonymous)]

alright i've noticed multiple games ban this character called 'warrior of light' and i'm completely canon blind. was there some spectacular wank i missed that got them banned from everywhere or is it something else?

[(Anonymous)]

the warrior of light is the main player character of the final fantasy 14 franchise. i was not directly involved in any drama as it was happening but i believe there were bad actors in dwrp for a bit and they did a few shitty things that led to taint the well

1. they want their wol to have every single class and skill possible. there are a shitton of classes that you can main as in the game, and some people want to play their character as every kind of mage, every kind of dps, etc. so they're essentially perfect. there was one that tried to get around a 'this is not a pet' rule with basically their pet, because they're a super special snowflake.

2. the character ic is essentially worshipped by the game and they win everything, so the players in question would get very 'my character can beat everyone else's!!!!' about it in games and be annoyed if they didn't immediately get the same attention that the character was used to in their canon

3. they had very specific opinions on npc romances. unlike some rpgs when you can canonly romance a npc, that is not possible in ff14. so any romances between the characters are fabricated which is fine, we all have headcanon, but they were being very aggressive toward npc players who did not want to ship with the wol. they would get harassed over it and some people stopped playing the characters altogether to avoid them.

4. there were just too many of them at a bit so it all got overflowed. i think it was prisma where there were infinite wols and it got toxic.

[(Anonymous)]

so many of them. holy shit. they were like those cicada broods that woke up at the same time. your eyes quickly glaze over when you come across wol #153 justifying why their wol ~isn't like other wols~

[(Anonymous)]

around when was this? i must've blocked it out of my mind

[(Anonymous)]

i don't know what year it was, but i remember i hit my limit after the male viera became a thing

[(Anonymous)]

i feel like with #3 here it bears emphasizing that it isn't JUST that the romances aren't established canon, it's also the disastrous (from an rp standpoint) combo with the WoL being soooo super special and important that tons of major NPCs are really ICly invested in them, meaning there's room to interpret it as nearly any given playable NPC being romantically interested in this total blank slate OC that every single ffxiv player creates in order to play the game. (totally unlike, say, a WoW pc, who by default is just a random adventurer.)

it meant NPC players didn't have a good IC way to simply decline to have their character care about the fandom OC; normal rules around needing to get their permission to make an OC of that much importance to their characters simply wouldn't work.

—and, just in general, it means that even WoL players who aren't this specific super wanky one getting referenced, who DON'T make their WoL literally have mastered every form of combat and magic while also being unparalleled artisans in multiple fields... are nevertheless working from a baseline of "my OC is canonically the most important person in the world."

as a mod, you can choose to allow OCs. you can allow OCs from rpg settings/fandoms, and include most MMOs under that umbrella. you can even, if you're feeling spicy or especially trust your player base, allow true fandom OCs as long as you've got rules and restrictions in place.
but there's no way in hell you can allow a Warrior of Light.

sa

[(Anonymous)]

*and by "playable NPC" i mean "NPC you could feasibly app to a game," whoops.

[(Anonymous)]

Everything you say is right and it's because ffxiv calls itself an mmorpg because lots of people can log into it and play OCs, but the storyline is just a single player game with extra steps. Outside the main WoL storyline the lore is paper thin and the RP scene consists of taverns, inns, and brothels because when all the lore revolves around one super special guy there isn't much left over for anyone else to make the world feel lived in.

People try to play non-WoL OCs in RP and they tend to be one note boring "adventurers" who can't be involved in anything special because the lore makes everything really exclusive. I played ffxiv for longer than I should have because I have friends who play it, and if you find the main story boring there is nothing else.

This is very different from WoW or ESO where the setting has a ton of extensive lore for people to make unique characters that are interesting without having the entire plot revolve around them. This is why ffxiv players are insufferable about their boring OCs. I think people would realize these are fandom OCs more if they knew how ffxiv's story worked. This isn't the same as apping an OC from an actual MMO, because that is more like apping a tabletop character.

[(Anonymous)]

i hate that i'm going to be that guy because i don't disagree with most of what you said, but "the RP scene consists of taverns, inns, and brothels" is only true if you're trying to look for rp through party finder. there's a ton of rp that isn't that, and it usually involves tabletop-esque characters.

also i promise you nobody wants to rp with someone's boring eso vestige any more than they want to play with someone's boring ffxiv wol, and maybe less, because the vestige has no choice but to be ugly

[(Anonymous)]

eventually WoW characters do become the head of their class hall, and the Maw Walker, and restore the dragon aspects, and i forget what else. but i've never seen anyone play a WoW character as compliant with the game storyline, they're usually just random adventurers.

i imagine ffxiv rp as being a lot of characters accusing each other of lying very loudly

[(Anonymous)]

even if you did rp as head of your class hall or something, it is really easy to work around. i once tagged another WoW character who was played as head of the same class hall, and we had a really fun thread because different timelines are canon for the game, so it was entirely plausible that they were both head of their class hall.

this is something that tends to only happen in dwrp though. it is an unspoken rule in WoW rp that no one ever claims to be the one special guy who did the thing because it will get you literally laughed off the server. since my OC is very unlikely to encounter another WoW OC in dwrp i add in some of those specific details but it is optional.

[(Anonymous)]

in-game, ffxiv rp is more like wow rp in that there's a quiet rule that no, you're not the chosen one, and if you try to rp the chosen one you'll just get ignored while people rp around you

but here yes people get upset about which one of their blorbos is the TRUE blorbo, which has definitely contributed to their rep. as much as other malleable protags may be annoying, i've only ever see wols do that.

[(Anonymous)]

are there any other characters as bad as WoL?

[(Anonymous)]

Other malleable rpg protags have similar issues but few are as insufferable or ubiquitous as final fantasy 14. closest i can think of is bg3 maybe

[(Anonymous)]

bg3 is saved by the fact d&d has fairly deep world building and plenty of npcs can tell your tav/durge to kick rocks

no such thing in ff14 every loves you no matter what

it's grating

[(Anonymous)]

ime other malleable protags will at least admit that's what they are, i've only ever seen wol's try to somehow argue that isn't right and they're special and different for [reasons].

[(Anonymous)]

because the very nature of the wol attracts special snowflakes. it's a power fantasy and mmo writing is lol lmao. meanwhile canons with tabletop bones (baldur's gate, dragon age, cyberpunk, elder scrolls) attract people who want to and are used to making ocs

i'll rp with a single player rpg malleable protag, jrpg or crpg or whatever, over a wol any day

[(Anonymous)]

probably gacha self insert mcs since every character has to glaze them or be part of their "harem"

[(Anonymous)]

same goes for persona protagonists. even if you don't choose to romance any of the social links, they still all adore the mc.

[(Anonymous)]

flashbacks to the time i saw someone playing the fgo protagonist and claiming they were fluent in every language that's ever existed

[(Anonymous)]

I personally had a WoL player recently tell me to my face how much their WoL could beat my character so badly in a fight and then really wanted to have a fight thread. They also wouldn't shut up about the other character they played who was a castmate of mine in the same game how they'd also beat my character (questionable.) I didn't engage, just dodged around the subject and avoided doing a fight thread all together.

Not all WoL's are like this (I've had good experiences with other WoL players) but it seems they attract the worst powergamers.

[(Anonymous)]

tbf i feel like this is more a protagonist problem than a wol problem because i've had multiple people playing canon protags try to pull this same thing on me. they assume that just because their character is the most powerful and special in their canon world, they would also be more powerful and more special than any other character from any other world, even if that other world's overall average power level is much higher.

[(Anonymous)]

sa as above

also shit this is pretty much the biggest one lol

5. they don't canonly have any history or backstory, we only know what has happened to them in game because they make it as bland as possible so people can play any race or gender or type of character in that role. any history you'd make would have to be fully head canon because it does not exist in the game, and also they have minimal personality. for a long time they had zero lines and only recently do they let you pick a few options as replies, but they don't matter ultimately, it doesn't make a personality.

[(Anonymous)]

this really is the biggest one and the reason it's honestly weird that it took the sparkledog wank to finally get a mod to ban them

the warrior of light is, outside of the game's context, a fandom oc, and those haven't been allowed in most dwrp games since the lj days

[(Anonymous)]

sparkledog wank?